damn...was really hoping wade or pippen would fall to me

I don't really like this guys antics all the time but his intensity and willingness to never ***** to much about being on a crappy team for most of his prime I really like. With these first two picks I don't know if I will be able to score but it will be damn sure difficult to score on me. I debated between this guy and another is sure to go quickley. However to pair with Bill Russell I will select Kevin Garnett. I am planning on trying to use him at a SF position if I can.

Yep, that's the other guy I looked hard at. 

Russell and Garnett is quite a defensive tandem to consider.  Athletic, crafty, unceasing Energizer bunnies.  They will get muscled inside by a small handful of behemoths, but they will also get inside heads and under skin.  You definitely haven't left yourself room for a take-over-games-inside-the-paint kind of offensive big man, although there are some interesting post-up options still on the board at other positions.  Very interesting pairing...

Posted by badja on 8/13/2011 1:56:00 PM (view original):
Quick pick here.  This guy is progressing nicely and I think would be a perfect compliment to Duncan.  
Good luck getting to the rim against my front court:)
More explanation to come later regarding...
Dwight Howard

There could be an argument that I have 2 centers, but only Howard is a true center.  Both are 100% PF in WIS (whatever that's worth).   One of Duncan's biggest shots of his career was a 3 pointer, so we know what he can do facing the basket.
I passed on some great SF's here and that might come back to bite me.  But...twin towers (especially one that can pass the ball), surrounded by low usage shooters is a recipe for success IMO.

09-10 Dwight Howard
6-11, 265 lbs
Center
Orlando Magic

02-03 Tim Duncan
7-0, 248 lbs
Power Forward
San Antonio Spurs

Lmfao

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Posted by logain on 8/12/2011 9:59:00 AM (view original):
Hakeem's 10 less to's and 7 extra steal's seem like the big difference in the box score. Shaq got to the line more but only made 6 more fts.

Comparing these two is very interesting to me, but comparing either to Kareem or Wilt is just plain silly.  Sure Hakeem had one truly amazing season, but Kareem and Wilt each had many of those seasons, and sure Shaq was an incredibly efficient and dominant offensive player, but so were Kareem and Wilt, and they played defense and didn't miss half the season many times.

If Olajuwon played in that era who is to say that he would not have put up simliar stats to Kareem or Wilt.  The game in that era was faster and teams shot at a lower percentage so more rebounds and more scoring opportunities existed.  Olajuwon played when teams were not focusing on big men as much and offense was starting to revolve around the wing.  Hell many season Dream had to deal with guts like Vernon Maxwell and Sleepy Floyd who would chuck up as many shots as possible.  I couldn't count the number of times I saw Olajuwon start a break with a blocked shot or steal, and finish it on the other end with a dunk or a layup.

Amen malone, he was a one of a kind! The best player he played with during his championship years was Thorpe who was an extremely underated defensive player who could score around the basket and board but wasn't much of a shooter. The only PF who played better D than Thorpe during his career with the Rockets was Rodman and possibly Horace Grant.

yooo..what about drexler?

and i was kinda young when thorpe was ballin but his career numbers say he was a pretty damn good shooter....as for defense what about kemp or oakley or buck or malone

Drexler wasn't at his best when he was with the Rockets

Posted by sappy on 8/13/2011 3:51:00 PM (view original):
I don't really like this guys antics all the time but his intensity and willingness to never ***** to much about being on a crappy team for most of his prime I really like. With these first two picks I don't know if I will be able to score but it will be damn sure difficult to score on me. I debated between this guy and another is sure to go quickley. However to pair with Bill Russell I will select Kevin Garnett. I am planning on trying to use him at a SF position if I can.

I can't believe Garnett fell this far, steal of the draft!

I will take the 2nd best defensive C of the last 4 decades, great rebounder, shot blocker, and scorer and one of the most underrated C's of all time.
Now I have 2 two great C's who can both defend PF's.

Patrick Ewing 

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Posted by logain on 8/12/2011 9:59:00 AM (view original):
Hakeem's 10 less to's and 7 extra steal's seem like the big difference in the box score. Shaq got to the line more but only made 6 more fts.

Comparing these two is very interesting to me, but comparing either to Kareem or Wilt is just plain silly.  Sure Hakeem had one truly amazing season, but Kareem and Wilt each had many of those seasons, and sure Shaq was an incredibly efficient and dominant offensive player, but so were Kareem and Wilt, and they played defense and didn't miss half the season many times.

If Olajuwon played in that era who is to say that he would not have put up simliar stats to Kareem or Wilt.  The game in that era was faster and teams shot at a lower percentage so more rebounds and more scoring opportunities existed.  Olajuwon played when teams were not focusing on big men as much and offense was starting to revolve around the wing.  Hell many season Dream had to deal with guts like Vernon Maxwell and Sleepy Floyd who would chuck up as many shots as possible.  I couldn't count the number of times I saw Olajuwon start a break with a blocked shot or steal, and finish it on the other end with a dunk or a layup.

Amen malone, he was a one of a kind! The best player he played with during his championship years was Thorpe who was an extremely underated defensive player who could score around the basket and board but wasn't much of a shooter. The only PF who played better D than Thorpe during his career with the Rockets was Rodman and possibly Horace Grant.

yooo..what about drexler?

and i was kinda young when thorpe was ballin but his career numbers say he was a pretty damn good shooter....as for defense what about kemp or oakley or buck or malone

Drexler wasn't at his best when he was with the Rockets

but he was still the best player hakeem played with during his titles

Posted by snydpie on 8/13/2011 4:50:00 PM (view original):
I will take the 2nd best defensive C of the last 4 decades, great rebounder, shot blocker, and scorer and one of the most underrated C's of all time.
Now I have 2 two great C's who can both defend PF's.

Patrick Ewing 

i dont think hes a clear cut #2 behind hakeem...the admiral, dwight, and big ben are right there with him...zo is pretty close too...duncan was pretty much a center most of his career

snydpie, check those finals boxscores again.  Drexler played lights out.

Not sure about your LMAO comment.  Explain yourself.

Posted by badja on 8/13/2011 5:39:00 PM (view original):
snydpie, check those finals boxscores again.  Drexler played lights out.

Not sure about your LMAO comment.  Explain yourself.

I just don't think Howard is that great. His stats are definately inflated due to his opponents although he is a great defensive player and rebounder but like I said inflated means not as good as the younger generation seems to think he is. The better 80's & 90's centers are way better than he is. He should be a nice inside presence beside Duncan though.

In their prime I would take Dream/Ewing over Duncan/Howard any day!

Fair enough.  His offensive game ain't special, but he can throw it down, which comes in handy (ouch).

I wasn't looking to put another #1 option in the paint like you did.  I'd rather have a defender/ rebounder beside Duncan (although I really prolly shoulda taken Karl there). 
Howard and Duncan are monster shot blockers in any era.   I think their rebounding would be there in any era as well. 
...and Howard hasn't reached his prime yet.

Dwight Howard of last year was a completely different player offensively than the rest of his career.  He's suddenly a threat in the post.  I don't know where he goes from here, but he's likely the best center the league will have for years to come (big men don't get developed anymore in college b/c they go pro too soon).

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Posted by logain on 8/12/2011 9:59:00 AM (view original):
Hakeem's 10 less to's and 7 extra steal's seem like the big difference in the box score. Shaq got to the line more but only made 6 more fts.

Comparing these two is very interesting to me, but comparing either to Kareem or Wilt is just plain silly.  Sure Hakeem had one truly amazing season, but Kareem and Wilt each had many of those seasons, and sure Shaq was an incredibly efficient and dominant offensive player, but so were Kareem and Wilt, and they played defense and didn't miss half the season many times.

If Olajuwon played in that era who is to say that he would not have put up simliar stats to Kareem or Wilt.  The game in that era was faster and teams shot at a lower percentage so more rebounds and more scoring opportunities existed.  Olajuwon played when teams were not focusing on big men as much and offense was starting to revolve around the wing.  Hell many season Dream had to deal with guts like Vernon Maxwell and Sleepy Floyd who would chuck up as many shots as possible.  I couldn't count the number of times I saw Olajuwon start a break with a blocked shot or steal, and finish it on the other end with a dunk or a layup.

Amen malone, he was a one of a kind! The best player he played with during his championship years was Thorpe who was an extremely underated defensive player who could score around the basket and board but wasn't much of a shooter. The only PF who played better D than Thorpe during his career with the Rockets was Rodman and possibly Horace Grant.

yooo..what about drexler?

and i was kinda young when thorpe was ballin but his career numbers say he was a pretty damn good shooter....as for defense what about kemp or oakley or buck or malone

Drexler wasn't at his best when he was with the Rockets

but he was still the best player hakeem played with during his titles

Drexler wasn't better than Thorpe.  Period.

Not in Houston, anyway.