Posted by pexetera on 10/20/2020 2:52:00 PM (view original):
What's off about that? World 1 is already on game 3.

Ahh I missed the note that world was ahead. My bad.

Final Rank	Owner	Points Entering Conf Finals	Conf Finals Points so far	New Point Total	Remaining Playoff Teams	Worlds
	pexetera	342	4	346	2	1,5
	dBKC	314	4	318	3	2,3,5
	mptrey	308	6	314	2	2,5
	dh555	277	8	285	2	1,3
	bds9992	275	4	279	1	1
	ashamael	260	0	260	1	4
	24kpyrite	256	4	260	1	2
	longtallbrad	256	0	256	0
	gerryred	253	0	253	0
	benhoidal	249	2	251	1	5
	pharrop	246	0	246	0
	tarheel1991	246	0	246	1	2
	cmcafeeky	232	0	232	1	3
	robusk	226	4	230	1	3
	dskantor	221	4	225	1	4
	amerk1180	219	4	223	1	1
	20ks	213	0	213	1	4
	jcred5	205	4	209	1	4
19	mikee1	206		206	0
20	goetz93	191		191	0
21	jhsukow	173		173	0
22	ysw128	158		158	0
23	jpevans31	140		140	0
24	albiband0	124		124	0

World 3 Game 1
Eastern Conference FInals

Statistical Probabilities 101:

owner A greatly deplenishes minutes of starters in upsetting #1 seed in previous series.
owner A, game 1 of Eastern Conference Finals: benches stars, setting minutes to ZERO
owner A employs scrubs setting to MAX minutes
owner A, employs Slow Down & -3 Defense

owner A MIRACULOUSLY wins the game - A celebration ensues

Reviewing the game I think of some of the other extreme tactics employed on the hardwood ...

Dean Smith's 4 Corner offense (necessitating the shot clock era)
Jim Valvono rolling the dice,fouling early & often down the stretch, forcing clutch free throws (and misses)
Dale Brown and his 'Freak Defense' enabling him to defeat more talented teams.
Rick Pitino's Full Court Press (foul so often the refs finally get tired of calling 'em)

and I ponder
Owner A... 'Coaching' genius? - Tactical guru? Savvy statistician?
Or
Owner A is… ‘gaming’ the game? Manipulating the limited SIM? Employing suspect etiquette?
all admittedly novel, antiquated societal norms I'm sure…

hmmmm…..hmmmmmm…..hmmmmm…. (I’m pondering)

oh well, I guess maybe Sebel could address the
extreme minutes manipulation thing someday….
Someday…..
or hell, maybe he could get Russell’s Def. above the 70s …
There is hope… Russell does have that one season of 90

well, kinoa did the same thing last season as well. fatigued his starters so much against me that he tanked the first game of the next series to get his starters fatigue more manageable again. and Kinoa almost never tanks a game. only he didn't win the first game he tanked in the following series. I've never seen anyone win a game they were tanking.

I’ve only tanked games twice in my decade plus on this site, both times in game one of the conference finals of the Savage league. Both for the reason pexetera laid out. It isn’t my favorite thing but I don’t want to just slowly give the series away because I am gassed. I too have never seen anyone win a game they were throwing away before yesterday. I suspect Ben has to have seen it at least once since he is the most experienced owner with the tactic.

As far as the game settings, I am liable to junk up any game where I am a big underdog (needing to play my lesser players qualifies). I don’t think there is any unethical about trying to increase variance in a game where the opponent is heavily favored. That’s just good coaching.

Posted by robusk on 10/21/2020 10:29:00 AM (view original):
I’ve only tanked games twice in my decade plus on this site, both times in game one of the conference finals of the Savage league. Both for the reason pexetera laid out. It isn’t my favorite thing but I don’t want to just slowly give the series away because I am gassed. I too have never seen anyone win a game they were throwing away before yesterday. I suspect Ben has to have seen it at least once since he is the most experienced owner with the tactic.

Actually I've never seen it before. I think an uncapped league is the only chance and usually I play in capped leagues. Because of this, the non-starters usually are a significant drop off and sometimes are even scrubs. I don't think I've ever even came within 50 points in a game I've tanked.

Posted by benhoidal on 10/21/2020 10:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 10/21/2020 10:29:00 AM (view original):
I’ve only tanked games twice in my decade plus on this site, both times in game one of the conference finals of the Savage league. Both for the reason pexetera laid out. It isn’t my favorite thing but I don’t want to just slowly give the series away because I am gassed. I too have never seen anyone win a game they were throwing away before yesterday. I suspect Ben has to have seen it at least once since he is the most experienced owner with the tactic.

Actually I've never seen it before. I think an uncapped league is the only chance and usually I play in capped leagues. Because of this, the non-starters usually are a significant drop off and sometimes are even scrubs. I don't think I've ever even came within 50 points in a game I've tanked.

I was thinking the same thing. In the Savage, even the bottom of your bench is decent enough that they are rotation players in other leagues. So probably the rare place where it can happen.

yea, if anything it's a compliment to the strength of your bench.

I think the tactic favors those teams where there's a big drop off in talent from the starters to the bench. Such as a team with a top 10 draft pick, or a team that is using a 7-8 man rotation, or as ben mentioned in the capped leagues where scrubs are minute fillers and your success centers around your top 5 draft picks. I used to build teams around a strong 7, but these days I usually draft and play all 12, so it puts my teams at a disadvantage.

I would like to see seble make the penalties harsher for overplaying minutes way beyond season averages. Since the mpg are season averages, there must be a standard deviation. I'd say that within 1 standard deviation of actual mpg, no penalty, between 1 and 2 standard deviations of actual mpg, small penalty. But if you're playing players more than 2 standard deviations outside of their normal mpg, then they should have a heart attack and die on the court. For example, 14-15 Steph Curry played 32.7 mpg on average. If the standard deviation was around 5 mpg, then I wouldn't have any problem playing him 37.7 mpg in the playoffs... Up to 42.7 mpg with an extra increase in fatigue%, but if you play him above 42 mpg, he should have much higher increase in fatigue% with an increased chance to break his second metacarpal in his left hand.

Posted by pexetera on 10/21/2020 4:40:00 PM (view original):
yea, if anything it's a compliment to the strength of your bench.

I think the tactic favors those teams where there's a big drop off in talent from the starters to the bench. Such as a team with a top 10 draft pick, or a team that is using a 7-8 man rotation, or as ben mentioned in the capped leagues where scrubs are minute fillers and your success centers around your top 5 draft picks. I used to build teams around a strong 7, but these days I usually draft and play all 12, so it puts my teams at a disadvantage.

I would like to see seble make the penalties harsher for overplaying minutes way beyond season averages. Since the mpg are season averages, there must be a standard deviation. I'd say that within 1 standard deviation of actual mpg, no penalty, between 1 and 2 standard deviations of actual mpg, small penalty. But if you're playing players more than 2 standard deviations outside of their normal mpg, then they should have a heart attack and die on the court. For example, 14-15 Steph Curry played 32.7 mpg on average. If the standard deviation was around 5 mpg, then I wouldn't have any problem playing him 37 mpg... Up to 42 mpg with an increased fatigue%, and playing above 42 mpg, he should have much higher fatigue level with an increased chance to break his second metacarpal in his left hand.

There actually is a penalty for this that works almost exactly as you describe. The individual usage penalty. It just doesn't work as well as it should.

Some part of me knows I can win World 1, but that doesn’t mean I will. Every time I get this close, it gets more excruciating

Yea, I'm lobbying for harsher penalties. Who can stand up to 48mpg of some of the marquis players?
right after they fix Bill Russell's DEF numbers.

Posted by benhoidal on 10/21/2020 4:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pexetera on 10/21/2020 4:40:00 PM (view original):
yea, if anything it's a compliment to the strength of your bench.

I think the tactic favors those teams where there's a big drop off in talent from the starters to the bench. Such as a team with a top 10 draft pick, or a team that is using a 7-8 man rotation, or as ben mentioned in the capped leagues where scrubs are minute fillers and your success centers around your top 5 draft picks. I used to build teams around a strong 7, but these days I usually draft and play all 12, so it puts my teams at a disadvantage.

I would like to see seble make the penalties harsher for overplaying minutes way beyond season averages. Since the mpg are season averages, there must be a standard deviation. I'd say that within 1 standard deviation of actual mpg, no penalty, between 1 and 2 standard deviations of actual mpg, small penalty. But if you're playing players more than 2 standard deviations outside of their normal mpg, then they should have a heart attack and die on the court. For example, 14-15 Steph Curry played 32.7 mpg on average. If the standard deviation was around 5 mpg, then I wouldn't have any problem playing him 37 mpg... Up to 42 mpg with an increased fatigue%, and playing above 42 mpg, he should have much higher fatigue level with an increased chance to break his second metacarpal in his left hand.

There actually is a penalty for this that works almost exactly as you describe. The individual usage penalty. It just doesn't work as well as it should.

except on low mpg players. It works absurdly well on them. Try playing 14-15 KD 35 mpg and he'll shoot 30% at best. It's all about the min/82 stat.

As far as tanking a game goes... I pretty much only do it when I think I have no chance to win otherwise, and even then, I usually screw it up. I got greedy vs owners in both the 1st & 2nd round and messed it up. I slid past pex in the one league I'm still in, but I just did it against jcred. Funny thing? The game I tanked (away) was closer than the game I overplayed (home) people in. That's a serious wtf

Sim gonna sim

Final Rank	Owner	Points Entering Conf Finals	Conf Finals Points so far	New Point Total	Remaining Playoff Teams	Worlds
	pexetera	342	6	348	2	1,5
	dBKC	314	8	322	3	2,3,5
	mptrey	308	8	316	2	2,5
	dh555	277	10	287	2	1,3
	bds9992	275	4	279	1	1
	ashamael	260	0	260	1	4
	24kpyrite	256	4	260	1	2
	longtallbrad	256	0	256	0
	gerryred	253	0	253	0
	benhoidal	249	4	253	1	5
	pharrop	246	0	246	0
	tarheel1991	246	0	246	1	2
	cmcafeeky	232	0	232	1	3
	robusk	226	6	232	1	3
	dskantor	221	4	225	1	4
	amerk1180	219	6	225	1	1
	20ks	213	2	215	1	4
	jcred5	205	6	211	1	4
19	mikee1	206		206	0
20	goetz93	191		191	0
21	jhsukow	173		173	0
22	ysw128	158		158	0
23	jpevans31	140		140	0
24	albiband0	124		124	0

There's the possibility for a tie, that would be fun