I don't like the idea of there being a harsher penalty for overplaying over the season mpg. So if my stud fouls out in 20 minutes and is recommended to play 39 minutes per game, I am not allowed to over play him the next few games? My team gets blown out or blows someone else out and I rest my starters, I dont get get to bump up their minutes more the next few games?

Posted by pexetera on 10/21/2020 10:03:00 AM (view original):
well, kinoa did the same thing last season as well. fatigued his starters so much against me that he tanked the first game of the next series to get his starters fatigue more manageable again. and Kinoa almost never tanks a game. only he didn't win the first game he tanked in the following series. I've never seen anyone win a game they were tanking.

This is an interesting subject for me. In open leagues, tanking is almost a given. With $42 million, 3 scrubs and a crapshoot rookie draft, you're virtually guaranteed having your top 9 fatigued, even playing them a reasonable amount over real life. I do it and have no problem with others doing it when that's the case. It basically comes down to tanking out of necessity versus tanking by design. I tank solely out of necessity, so when owners play Giannis or Curry 48 minutes for a few games, tank, then rinse and repeat, I have a problem with that. Big problem. And the truth is the sim does a horrible job penalizing this practice so owners have no fear doing it over and over again.

I remember the series you brought up. I actually played all of my starters around 110-115% of their real life, which I was ok with. The exception to that was Bobby Jones, who I played 48 minutes for 3 games when he was good for 32. It worked, but considering I take issue with that practice, I didn't feel good about it. At all. Although I won that series, Karma got me and I was swept in the finals. I doubt I ever do that again.

The Savage format somewhat encourages it because you have to extract wins every game out. I have never been too comfortable with it despite being the subject of the originating post (like I said, it is my second time doing it).

But I think it you are just pushing your guys a little hard and need to drop a game because they are sitting at like 95% I think it is fine. Honestly, I can't see doing the tank every third or fourth game to play guys consistently at 48 MPG is something I would do. But I also see nothing wrong with it since you are playing a "game" and the rules of the game allow for it (until something changes). When I am on the other side, I just take the two free wins and figure if I can't find a way to to go 2-3 in the other games then that is on me.

I've never tanked in a playoff series, I value the chance to win too much to give one up. Occasionally, I'll tank ONE game at the end of a regular season when I'm already in the playoffs and my last game doesn't effect my playoff standings. I've never tanked for better standings in a progressive draft. Resting your stars does happen in real life in the regular season, and I don't think Pop expects to win those games either, so it's hard to criticize that. Tanking a playoff game does not happen in real life. That would be a good way to get fired, and probably rioting. I do play stars 48mpg at times too, so I can't say too much, but it's usually in response to fight fire with fire. It's my only recourse. How else am I going to compete against 48mpg Harden unless I play Barkley 48mpg? I agree with the points that 24k made, but I'm still in favor of harsher penalties. Something more should be done about gaming the game. If your starter fouls out the game before in 25 min, then you should be able to play him up to one standard deviation above his normal minutes the next few games with no penalty. But consider the actual NBA. If someone fouls out early, they don't play 48 mpg the next night. Unless your name is Wilt, that's just not real. Resting your stars is real. Pushing them above average minutes in the playoffs is real. Playing them 48mpg multiple games in a row is not. So where the line is drawn for harsher penalties is important. More than 2 standard deviations above the mean?.. I'd be in favor of very harsh, ankle breaking penalties.

never really bothered me...i always love getting that free win(sorry cmc haha)

You can’t “tank” a game in an uncapped league. Those are still good players.

World 3 - Game 1 - part 2

Just to be clear,
my comments were not a criticism of “owner A”
in World 3 Game 1 of E. Conference ...

I mean the guy is living the dream,
First he upsets a DYNASTY like Pextera, “the Architect”, and then
Throttles a Redneck Peckerwood Southern a$$hole like cmcafeeky...get out the brooms

The guy's probably whistling Zip-A-Dee-Do-Dah,
while roller skating backwards down main street,
wearing a backwards sun visor - whacking people over the head with his skate board…
(don’t know what the guy looks like..thats just my mental image)

the practice of 'load management' / 'minute maxing' is common place
It's like masturbating: Everyone has done it and no one wants to talk about it- including me...
I still feel sheepish about it - and think ultimately, that it is in bad taste and poor etiquette...
(Im talking “load management/minute maxing”
for those who still struggle with the typical rambling cmc narrative)
but...
when in Rome...

My bigger concern is the ODDITY, or statistical probability of a
Group of maxed subs winning Game 1 of Conference finals by
Employing -3 def. and slow down offense...

I have a ritual:
every playoff game I open the 4th quarter play by play, and walk through the end of the game -
it’s an addiction....
and yes, I usually get annoyed when dudes make turnovers or foul 3 point shooters... etc.
anyway…I kept processing through that game –
"where is Frickin Durant.?!.. has Drexler fouled out?!?!.... why isn’t Terry Porter in the game
and then to lose .... lol…

I know THIS….after having my A$$ handed to me in such a fashion, that
Wowee Zowee team has taught me a FAST...HARD... LESSON...
Lamar Odom...
Joel Pryzilla and
Danny Frickin GRANGER have zoomed…..ZOOMED !!
up near the top of my SAVAGE THREE DRAFT LIST...
those dicks just scored 20 each in COnference finals - wake up guys !!!

you guys can all $uck ON my Odom-Pryzilla-Granger-slow down /-3 Def. teams ...NEXT YEAR !!!

Posted by cmcafeeky on 10/21/2020 10:49:00 PM (view original):

World 3 - Game 1 - part 2

Just to be clear,
my comments were not a criticism of “owner A”
in World 3 Game 1 of E. Conference ...

I mean the guy is living the dream,
First he upsets a DYNYSTY like Pextera, “the Architect”, and then
Throttles a Redneck Peckerwood Southern a$$hole like cmcafeeky...get out the brooms

The guy's probably whistling Zip-A-Dee-Do-Dah,
while roller skating backwards down main street,
wearing a backwards sun visor - whacking people over the head with his skate board…
(don’t know what the guy looks like..thats just my mental image)

the practice of 'load management' / 'minute maxing' is common place
It's like masturbating: Everyone has done it and no one wants to talk about it- including me...
I still feel sheepish about it - and think ultimately, that it is in bad taste and poor etiquette...
(Im talking “load management/minute maxing”
for those who still struggle with the typical rambling cmc narrative)
but...
when in Rome...

My bigger concern is the ODDITY, or statistical probability of a
Group of maxed subs winning Game 1 of Conference finals by
Employing -3 def. and slow down offense...

I have a ritual:
every playoff game I open the 4th quarter play by play, and walk through the end of the game -
it’s an addiction....
and yes, I usually get annoyed when dudes make turnovers or foul 3 point shooters... etc.
anyway…I kept processing through that game –
"where is Frickin Durant.?!.. has Drexler fouled out?!?!.... why isn’t Terry Porter in the game
and then to lose .... lol…

I know THIS….after having my A$$ handed to me in such a fashion, that
Wowee Zowee team has taught me a FAST...HARD... LESSON...
Lamar Odom...
Joel Pryzilla and
Danny Frickin GRANGER have zoomed…..ZOOMED !!
up near the top of my SAVAGE THREE DRAFT LIST...
those dicks just scored 20 each in COnference finals - wake up guys !!!

you guys can all $uck ON my Odom-Pryzilla-Granger-slow down /-3 teams ...NEXT YEAR !!!

definitely lock in those three picks for cmc as his first rounders

You only caught about half of the noise in that scheme. It was rest all the starters, -3, slow down, double team Harden, 3 point offense at even a point back from the 6 minute mark onward.

Posted by dh555 on 10/21/2020 8:30:00 PM (view original):
never really bothered me...i always love getting that free win(sorry cmc haha)

It only bothers me when I am losing to it.

Last season I ended up with 233 which was good enough to finish 9th. This season I am at 232 which is good enough for 14th. What the hell happened this season?

Final Rank	Owner	Points Entering Conf Finals	Conf Finals Points so far	New Point Total	Remaining Playoff Teams	Worlds
	pexetera	342	8	350	1	1
	dBKC	314	10	324	2	2,5
	mptrey	308	10	318	2	2,5
	dh555	277	14	291	2	1,3
	bds9992	275	4	279	0
	ashamael	260	2	262	1	4
	24kpyrite	256	6	262	1	2
	longtallbrad	256	0	256	0
	gerryred	253	0	253	0
	benhoidal	249	4	253	1	5
	pharrop	246	0	246	0
	tarheel1991	246	2	248	1	2
	cmcafeeky	232	2	234	1	3
	robusk	226	6	232	1	3
	dskantor	221	4	225	1	4
	amerk1180	219	6	225	1	1
	20ks	213	4	217	1	4
	jcred5	205	6	211	1	4
19	mikee1	206		206	0
20	goetz93	191		191	0
21	jhsukow	173		173	0
22	ysw128	158		158	0
23	jpevans31	140		140	0
24	albiband0	124		124	0

Postseason drama still abounds, but it's not too early to crown bds as MIP. Quite the turnaround!

thank you

I'd like to thank.......

LeBron for being super good
Brad for being pretty level headed
dh for being the best commish around
and LeBron again for getting me into someone's top 10

and now, back to your scheduled programming

Posted by robusk on 10/22/2020 12:13:00 AM (view original):
You only caught about half of the noise in that scheme. It was rest all the starters, -3, slow down, double team Harden, 3 point offense at even a point back from the 6 minute mark onward.

I caught all the noise (and my hearing still hasn't recovered fully)

I presumed the adjustment to threes...
I think I'm remembering that they shot nearly 40 3s, close to half of the teams FGA....
but was unable to verify the adjustment to game plan....

Dont expect to be able to land
Joel Pryzilla - Lamar Odom - and Danny Granger again next year....

We already salavating at having Joel 'GAWD-zilla' Pryzilla patroling the paint -
On DRAFT DAY, I'll be on Lamar Odom like a Kardasian... (and we'll twerk all night after we draft him)