Quote: Originally Posted By dcy0827 on 3/06/2010

Believe me, I've followed ALL these threads and even contributed to some of them. And from following all the threads, yes, I would agree that you received some undue criticism, but I would also agree that you've dished out your fair amount of insults and jabs and brought some of it onto yourself. I agree with that...I can and do get fired up on these boards.

I mean, damn, the 50/50 debate went on for how many pages before you finally realized how stupid your argument was and then after you had done some name calling and insulting of your own? Perhaps that "argument" accomplished what it was supposed to, but I never wanted it to get that out of hand and for that I am sorry. Posting uncontrollably and name-calling is a bad predicament to put myself in and sometimes it does get to this point. Whether you believe me or not, there have been many a time after I log off the comp and think, what the hell was I doing/thinking? It's not all one sided Trevor, you've contributed your share of "hating" yourself. Fair enough Calling people "ignorant" or "boobs" or "close minded" because they don't agree/like your rating system is a form of "hating" in and of itself. I think the closed-minded term has been appropriately used for the most part but I really should have never called people ignorant or boobs, though the boobs usage was meant to be cheeky and not malicious. I guess I tend to get progressively more peeved when it seems that people don't understand my argument, whatever it may be. Threads get into bad shape when people on both sides keep posting the same things over and over and over again, and I've gotten myself into that kettle of fish more than I'd like to admit. You went out of your way in one thread to dog a user about accessing the site from work. It was a valid counter-argument...ironically enough, one of my "haters" actually sitemailed me during the time of that thread to tell me that he agreed with me, but didn't want to get caught up in the madness of the thread, or get negative attention towards himself. That's not a form of "hating" on him? None of YOUR business really, but you just had to throw your two cents in, right? You seem like an intelligent enough guy, you can comprehend that, right? Anything posted on these boards can be anybody's business...they're public. Not trying to be an *** here, just stating fact. On the internet for me, not having an opinion is really not an option. I'd like to think that I own up to who I am and what I post...its really unfortunate that I got off on the wrong foot with this group to begin with.

And as far as "pinpointing" those guys, what's the point exactly? It was more of a figure of speech than me creating a post "pinpointing these guys". To prove that you won't back down? Who cares, it's an online forums for Pete's sake. Who cares if you won't back down, it's not proving anything to anyone, except that you ALSO like to argue. I appreciate the chatter, I don't like getting into full blown bruhahas here, but I do enjoy listening to others. And to call someone "close minded" is really calling the kettle black. I have my moments, but generally I would say that I'm not closed-minded. I think in general people underestimate how much I've viewed/interacted with the other side of the argument thus since I don't agree with them (though on many occasions have conceded many points). I can be closed-minded, but I think many of the arguments here have started because people don't think I've carefully analyzed the other side of the argument, when in fact I have. You will not except anyone not agreeing with your rating system as anything other than "close minded". That simply is not true. Kmason made a very good post earlier in this thread saying I get and understand your viewpoint, I just don't agree with it. If others would be like that, we wouldn't have problems. I think my posts have been more effect than cause...the fervor of others has more often than not brought out the fervor in me. See the irony in that?

I mean, damn, you went so far in one of your threads to suggest that the NCAA tournament should pick their teams based on YOUR ratings. That's how much I believe in my system. I believe my system is the best out there, so why wouldn't I think that the NCAA should use it? If you don't think what you're doing is the best/better than what you compared it to to start with, then why are you doing it? Talk about arrogant, and yet you don't seem to have the first clue as to why someone would want to respond negatively to a statement like that. I'm just telling you all what I believe, you can take it as arrogance or what have you, but its really a sincere belief that I have.

One last thing. I'm fairly certain that Dalter, Zhawks, and A in the B have just a few more things that are more important in their life than sitting around with baited breath waiting for you to post, so they can come in here and jump on your comment. I didn't mean to suggest that this was the case, but you can bet if I post something, zhawks especially is posting the opposite. I'm saying if and when they see a colonels19 post, they TEND to reply and reply negatively, and that is partly my fault, I will admit. Hate to break this to you bro, but the universe doesn't revolve around Trevor.......Trust me, I'm well aware of this.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 3/06/2010colonels, when you point out that this getting off on the wrong foot has "practically happened on all the boards here" ... time to look inward.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/06/2010
I really do consider myself to be a good person but I do have a bit of a nasty streak on these boards and I really need to try to curb it. I've probably said this too much, but if people met me in person, they'd probably have a hard time believing that I am colonels19 because I'm so/rather tame. My biggest problem is erring towards the negative sides/angles of things, its just kind of my nature but its also been bred through message board situations and truly getting screwed in other games.

Right now this probably doesn't mean much, but I do think its unfortunate that I got off on the foot with the HD crowd that I did...its practically happened on all the boards here...love to hate then hate to love. Ironically enough, I don't hate anyone on these boards (even my staunchest critics) and hopefully I can put my negative "side" to rest sooner rather than later...though it will probably always be apart of me. I am the king of pilers on and kicking dead horses lol, and that isn't necessarily a good thing. I know your post didn't warrant this kind of further response, but I guess at this point I felt it was necessary. Take care as well.



No problem at all with the response you gave. Actually glad you took the time to try to clarify some things, thank you.

Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/06/2010...I just get that vibe.

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 3/06/2010
I don't have a problem with not giving up when a point is debatable, its not giving up when you are flat out, factually, by the book, wrong that is annoying. It takes a lot to flip my way of thinking, rightly or wrongly. You already got me to change the United States thing due to its incompleteness so I guess from that standpoint, you have succeeded. The 50-50 thing was more or less a joke thus if I was "wrong" about anything else, I'd truly like to hear about it because there's a big difference between WRONG and DIFFERING OPINIONS. And contrary to your belief, I do admit when I'm wrong and apologize for it.

Or suddenly expecting that because you have an idea, everyone else should give up and share it. Dude, I'm well aware that not everyone is going to agree with me all the time. I don't want people to muck their opinions for my sake, I want them to be open to what I'm saying because that's what I expect of myself. Or that, because someone disagrees with you, they must not understand what you are saying. There were many times that guys just kept saying the same things over and over and over again after I tried to clear the air, thus what other conclusion am I supposed to come to? Quite often they understand exactly what you are saying. . and just don't agree. It certainly doesn't come off like that. Kmason's post a few pages back was a good example of classily disagreeing whereas he said something like, you have a solid concept but I disagree with it/you. 95% of the disagreements don't go like that...I'm partly to blame to do the initial brashness of the post.DOn't you see what is irritating? This 'playing the victim' bit when you aren't the victim is part of it. I'm not playing the victim at all, I defend myself always and I bring up things that are true, and if its the fact that people want to jab back with the colonel...then that's what it is. You can't tell me that zhawks doesn't constantly do this. I'll take on the world if I believe in something strongly enough.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 3/06/2010
colonels, when you point out that this getting off on the wrong foot has "practically happened on all the boards here" ... time to look inward.

I have, but guess what, I have a lot of "friends" or people that respect me on all those other boards now. Part of the problem is that the "old dogs" think they're going to set the "new guy" straight and keep him in line, and that just isn't and never was going to happen with me.

You're a complete idiot if you think that's the case. There's not even the tiniest little agenda.

When you all first told me that my ideas were ridiculous/stupid/that I didn't know anything, etc...you were probably just hoping that I would shut up and either fall in line, or go away

No, people were trying to help (I'm talking about HD-related stuff). Maybe this is at the core of the problem ... you somehow actually think that people have an ageda like this, towards you or anyone else.

...well I don't play that, especially when I know I have good concepts and they aren't necessarily things I developed on a whim. When I'm licked, I'll admit it,

Part of the problem is clearly that you often don't know when you're "licked".

but not until then and I largely think that part of the reason that people get ****** off at me here is because I don't give up easily when it wasn't what you expected...I just get that vibe. In all seriousness, I'm as bad as you guys want me to be.

Oh God. I just threw up in my mouth a little. Get over yourself ... it really shouldn't be that difficult.

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 3/06/2010COlonels, a few more things - and I am not quoting the original post for space reasons: First, I tend to 'respond negatively' to your 'negative responses. You insert yourself into allot of the threads I happen to be in and am interested in and say things I disagree with, should I just not respond so that I don't respond negatively to you? Respond how you please. There isn't one set of rules for me and a set of rules for everyone else. I was simply owning up to what and how I am.

Second. . I am going to quote you. ..

I can be closed-minded, but I think many of the arguments here have started because people don't think I've carefully analyzed the other side of the argument, when in fact I have.

And say. . .

Physician, heal thyself. THis is YOUR primary attitude towards anyone who disagrees with you in any way in any and all of your threads, and it is THE primary thing I find annoying about your arguing style, bar none. I don't argue just to argue, and I don't argue because I don't consider or think about your points, I argue because I have thought about them and disagreed, or because I happen to know, as in the case of the "United states' thing or the 'fifty percent' thing, that you are factually wrong in a way that is not a matter of opinion. You seem to think that YOU should be stubborn about your opinion but that everyone else should just give up and bask in your 'correctness'. Your complaints about others will hold water when you fix them in yourself. You're completely off base here Dr. Phil. It is you and guys like you that paint this false portrait of what has happened. I respect disagreements as long as they have solid logical backing...I don't want nor do I expect everyone to agree with me. I've conceded many of y'alls points since I've been in these threads and I find it funny that you conveniently leave that out. Its also funny that you guys cry foul, foul, foul, when I first divulged that all wins rated ahead of all losses, I make a post to show that what you thought would happen wasn't even close to happening, and some of you are still crying/making excuses...its like its ok for you to make your point, but when I try to rebut it with ACTUAL FACTS, it somehow doesn't count...classy. Its funny that you say that I don't own up to when I'm wrong, when I'm essentially the only one that does so.

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 3/06/2010

YOu know how many arguments your would short circuit if, the FIRST TIME someone made one of those arguments, you would just accept they MIGHT be right Like I said, if you want to sway my opinion, I'm a tough nut to crack - that its even possible - do the minimal amount of research to find that out, and say "Ooops, my bad, you were right' . . and move on That has happened on multiple occasions, but what has really shown itself to be true is that you aren't so concerned with the argument, rather you're concerned about me patting you on the back and telling you that you were right. I often times don't know when we're having a sensible argument, or when we're playing beat the colonel. Again, I've apologized and conceded others points many times over, and if you fail to realize this, then we'll just keep butting heads., rather than instantly presuming ANYTHING you say has to be defended to the death and is a hill to die on, and that admitting you could possibly have even made an error anywhere in your life is tantamount to a session of torture? I/What I do is often times the thing on trial in "my" threads thus of course I'm always first going to defend who I am and what I do, and yes I'm aware that I put myself in this predicament, and I wouldn't do it if I couldn't handle it. Just because you think you have the right answer/solution to a perceived problem doesn't mean that said problem is going to be fixed and adhered to according to your standards...I understand this as much as anyone because I too have been on that side many times. My rankings and such are now better than ever because of the people here in 2004 and 2005 telling me not only did my rankings "suck" but also offering suggestions as to what I should do to fix the problems...it was a belligerent head-to-head battle there too, but I'm appreciative of those guys arguing with me, helping me to better my system.


And that goes doubly for when HALF THE BOARD tells you that something you have said is factually wrong. No matter how many people say it, you don't even accept it as a possibility until someone forces it down your throat. If every now and then you would just swallow the pill, the suppository wouldn't be necessary. Posts like these make it feel like your main agenda when replying to my posts is to prove me wrong.