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Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/24/2019 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/24/2019 1:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/24/2019 12:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/24/2019 10:40:00 AM (view original):
Also, what's the financial gain to fake all of this?

Wouldn't it be more logical for it to be the other way around? We alreadt know that scientists have been paid to issue anti-climate change studies.
Hey tang,

Look, I have spoken with enough Global Warming adherents to know the drill. I will get asked to explain all of these phenomena. The problem is that, while it is a fact that sea levels are rising, it is NOT a fact that Climate Change, as intentionally, nebulously ill-defined by the political Environmentalists, is the cause. By asking the question, it insinuates a cause and effect relationship between sea levels and Climate Change. It is a rhetorical strategy that uses a loaded question. Science employs methods to isolate a variable that can then be tested repeatedly to acheive a predictable result. The question is asked FIRST and then the conclusion is written after the tests are performed. What's going on right now is the opposite. Researchers begin with a conclusion (Gobal Warming is the cause) and then work backwards to support it. Why? Because there isn't a variable that can be isolated due to the vastness of the question. Read up on String Theory or Einstein's Unified Field Theory. They are great examples of when "science" tackles too vast of a question and simply starts guessing. Scientists really don't know why sea levels are rising and can't prove it cause through the scientific method. So, they have created a plausible guess which is, in effect, a belief system. You either believe in Climate Change (like people believe in a God) or you don't.

One of these days, the definitive Environmental manifesto will be released and we will all finally understand what the goals behind this really is. Perhaps the Green New Deal is that document, although I doubt it, where the facade over caring about the planet can finally be dropped and we will all be told what is at stake (hint: it's a desire for absolute power.) Until then, the game stretches on with no end in sight. Al Gore is bound to make a third documentary - An Inconvenient Hoax that Made Me a Lot of Money and Set Up a New Global Socio-Political Power Elite.
The fact that sea levels are rising is, by definition, climate change. That ends the debate. You are doing the exact same thing in your logic that you accuse researchers of doing. You have come to the conclusion that the whole thing is a conspiracy. You don't know why yet. You are looking for why. There is no financial incentive to pay out a bunch of scientists to fake studies to achieve a goal of.... Losing money. It doesn't make any semblence of logical sense. Maybe people really do want to care for the planet. Maybe climate change is real. One thing that I do know: Big Solar doesn't exist. Big Oil does.

Again, sea levels are rising. That's a measurable fact. Glaciers are melting. That's a fact. Worldwide temperatures are rising. That's a fact. Those are all observations. My hypothesis is that these things are bad and we should try to stop them. Islands are already going underwater. These are things you cannot deny.

We aren't guessing as to why sea levels are rising. Let's say you have a glass of water with ice in it. You leave it in 100 degree weather. The ice will melt and the water levels will rise. It's 3rd grade science.

Regardless of the cause, the fact that water levelevels are rising is a problem that needs solving. That's not up for debate.
Well, good talk, tang. I suspect that's why the name was changed from Global Warming to Climate Change. The climate has been changing for six billion years so the concept is indisputable. With that foundation, anything can be constructed on top of it for the true believer to swallow whole.

Again, you can't argue with a belief system. I once tried to talk with a Jehova's Witness. It was amusing. They had an answer for everything.

You wish to believe we are all going to burn to a crisp, then God Speed.
Last word on this topic:

I believe that you have come to the conclusion that it is a hoax and you have decided that everyone else is brainwashed for some reason. Yes, I have answers to everything. Because it is real. The fact that sea levels are rising is a major problem for the world. I, personally, would like to solve this issue rather than dip my head in the sand.

The fact is that you have no logical reason or motive for why the hoax would exist, nor do you have any evidence of bribed scientists on your part.

IMO, your logic is scary. You can defend anything at all with your logic. The earth is flat. We didn't go to the moon. The holocaust is fake. Etc. Etc. I can't explain why we would do the hoax or why it would be profitable, or give any reasonable evidence to the contrary, but I still belive that the whole world is being brainwashed.
2/24/2019 1:35 PM
I can imagine this very conversation happening between people when the land bridge existed between Asia and North America during the end of the last Ice Age. Sea levels were rising then too. Of course, they didn't have the Internet.

Or did they?
2/24/2019 1:43 PM
I bet it did, although it would have been tougher to measure.
2/24/2019 2:03 PM
whats funny is we clear cut our country for farms and cities and now we expect brazil to save the trees

2/24/2019 2:08 PM
Posted by bagchucker on 2/24/2019 2:08:00 PM (view original):
whats funny is we clear cut our country for farms and cities and now we expect brazil to save the trees

Yeah, you have to love the hypocracy. That could also apply to the Industrial Revolution. We've had ours already but when a developing country like China or India finally gets to have theirs (delayed due to colonialism) everyone in the developed world ******* about their pollution.
2/24/2019 2:43 PM
Honest question to - bad_luck, tang, taint, bob, wylie, the chuckster... No hidden agenda at all with this one. I am simply curious.

For those that believe in Climate Change theory, how do you take account of the impact with the massive increase in human population? Industrialization (Agricultural Revolution) is what has allowed for the population to explode. The simple fact that we are breeding like rabbits would be causing severe environmental pressure on its own.
2/24/2019 2:57 PM
human populations burn fuel

you accept as a fact, right?
2/24/2019 3:42 PM (edited)
Penicillin
2/24/2019 3:38 PM
burning fuel is the thing that got us where we are

took us out of the trees and into the stars

turns out there's a cost

we're never gonna run out of fuel, we're too smart, finding fuel is what we're geared for

but we need an exhaust pipe

we are crapping in our own mess kit

we have run out of room to hide garbage
2/24/2019 3:50 PM
Posted by bronxcheer on 2/24/2019 1:30:00 PM (view original):
Topic: Is God real?
No answer is possible. We, as humans, just DO NOT KNOW.

I argue this with dummy...

Religious Theology has been responsible for more wars, death, famine, torture, obstruction, corruption, propaganda and misinformation than anything else in the history of man combined. Our wars aren't really about politics. They are about theology and money....

I am a Christian. I have Faith. But I am enlightened enough to know that I DON'T KNOW.

It's really that simple.
2/24/2019 3:52 PM
Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/24/2019 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/24/2019 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 2/24/2019 1:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 2/24/2019 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/24/2019 1:16:00 PM (view original):
If it is manmade or not, it is still a problem that needs solving. You are arguing about an irrelevant topic.
????

You need a class in debating because you suck at it. Suck as badly as bad luck.
LOL.

Cmon Tang, you need to go to the Comrade School of Debate....when faced with facts that beat down your argument, use an anecdote from your two minority friends who have NEVER faced any of the issues you're talking about. When that fails, call names or disparage.


step your game up bro.
Oh, Ok.

Yo CCCP is a ******* moron idiot.

My two college scientist friends say that climate change is real.

You are a fat jewish piece of ****, why dont you just run back to boston with your other patriots fans and go back to sucking tom bradys dick
Now this is a fantastic use of a college education.

Well thought out and nicely done!
A+!!!!!


Bravo sir, bravo!
2/24/2019 3:54 PM
Posted by bagchucker on 2/24/2019 3:42:00 PM (view original):
human populations burn fuel

you accept as a fact, right?
Sure. We might not need to burn oil but we'd need to burn something to keep 8? billion fed and sheltered.

I'm trying to get past the "does Climate Change exist" question. If what tang began to touch upon is true and it doesn't matter whether it is man-made, natural, real or imaginary...humans are showing no signs of slowing down the rabbit farm.

The entire world's economy and industry can't be changed overnight...probably can't be changed over a decade. How would a worldwide standard work? What if a country simply ignores the target emissions level? A theory about how to stop man-made pollution is a lot different than actual implementation, which would almost certainly require some sort of force or threat of force (IMHO.) The entire world agreeing and sticking to the same course is just a bit idealistic since it has never happened before.

How would it be implemented and enforced? Again, an honest question.
2/24/2019 4:06 PM
Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/24/2019 2:57:00 PM (view original):
Honest question to - bad_luck, tang, taint, bob, wylie, the chuckster... No hidden agenda at all with this one. I am simply curious.

For those that believe in Climate Change theory, how do you take account of the impact with the massive increase in human population? Industrialization (Agricultural Revolution) is what has allowed for the population to explode. The simple fact that we are breeding like rabbits would be causing severe environmental pressure on its own.
1. Not a theory.
2. Sure. It is a factor.
2/24/2019 4:10 PM
Posted by bronxcheer on 2/24/2019 3:38:00 PM (view original):
Penicillin
But im elergic.
2/24/2019 4:10 PM
Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/24/2019 4:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagchucker on 2/24/2019 3:42:00 PM (view original):
human populations burn fuel

you accept as a fact, right?
Sure. We might not need to burn oil but we'd need to burn something to keep 8? billion fed and sheltered.

I'm trying to get past the "does Climate Change exist" question. If what tang began to touch upon is true and it doesn't matter whether it is man-made, natural, real or imaginary...humans are showing no signs of slowing down the rabbit farm.

The entire world's economy and industry can't be changed overnight...probably can't be changed over a decade. How would a worldwide standard work? What if a country simply ignores the target emissions level? A theory about how to stop man-made pollution is a lot different than actual implementation, which would almost certainly require some sort of force or threat of force (IMHO.) The entire world agreeing and sticking to the same course is just a bit idealistic since it has never happened before.

How would it be implemented and enforced? Again, an honest question.
your second ¶ is wrong

it turns out give women power knowledge education resources hey i don know lets just put it in a nutshell and say cellphones and birth control they quit procreating

sad but true

#youtoo
2/24/2019 4:34 PM (edited)
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