Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 4/19/2010
First off, you said 1 to 38. 1. Not 40. By saying 1 you are saying anytime someone wins. Period. Parse words as you like...its 1 basket...38, 40...hell if you want to dumb it down to 35, the point is still valid. And I said game 1, not 1 to 38...if you're going to try to trap me, get something that's valid...don't make up **** and tell me I said it. I've said from the get go that the point swing is the main reason people would get ****** from one game to another. If 1 team won a game by 1 at home and the other won their home game by 1...I'm not griping about that, nothing wrong.

Secondly, it doesn't matter if YOU change ANYTHING. You are in a new game, the opposition has improved your team has improved as well and you are at a new venue with a C HCA...its not like they're playing at Cameron Indoor...give yourself a break. Again, does this account for a 22 bucket swing? 44 points?. For starters. If you expect the same probability to reoccur identicly, you are insane. I don't, I expect good randomness to beget whatever result that good randomness produces...I'm just not so sure that we see good randomness all the time, and that's a problem.

Finally, a +70 OTR means absolutely jack. It is the individual numbers that make the differance. If that is all you are looking at, you need to sit back down and learn about the game. I know its not a be all end all, but it is a significant difference, especially given the fact that its human v. sim and the sim made no coaching changes.

4/19/2010 12:59 PM
"I think the bottom line still remains that if you win game 1 by 38 or whatever, the team shouldn't have to make any changes to win game 2, especially against a sim"

Didn't say 1 to 38 pal....feel free to own up to this at any time.
4/19/2010 1:00 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 4/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 4/19/2010

I think the bottom line still remains that if you win game 1 by 38 or whatever, the team shouldn't have to make any changes to win game 2, especially against a sim...you can/should basically be able to chalk it up

'nuff said. You haven't a clue.

Its a perfectly logical statement...you don't win by 40 and think "I'd better change something because I'll probably lose the next game". Winning by 40 sets an expectation for the next game that you'll play against X team, that you will pretty much win regardless, and that's a very fair expectation...again ESPECIALLY against a sim that you're +70 OTR against that didn't make any changes.
It's just becoming increasingly clear to me that this is above the level of thinking that you're capable of.

Again, go back to the coin flip example. Nothing changes, two evenly-matched teams, and it would not be surprising to go from one side winning by 20 to another side winning by 20. (For example ... or winning by 30 and losing by 10, etc. etc.)

How do you not get that?
4/19/2010 3:18 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 4/19/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 4/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 4/19/2010

I think the bottom line still remains that if you win game 1 by 38 or whatever, the team shouldn't have to make any changes to win game 2, especially against a sim...you can/should basically be able to chalk it up

'nuff said. You haven't a clue.

Its a perfectly logical statement...you don't win by 40 and think "I'd better change something because I'll probably lose the next game". Winning by 40 sets an expectation for the next game that you'll play against X team, that you will pretty much win regardless, and that's a very fair expectation...again ESPECIALLY against a sim that you're +70 OTR against that didn't make any changes.
It's just becoming increasingly clear to me that this is above the level of thinking that you're capable of.

Again, go back to the coin flip example. Nothing changes, two evenly-matched teams, and it would not be surprising to go from one side winning by 20 to another side winning by 20. (For example ... or winning by 30 and losing by 10, etc. etc.)

How do you not get that?

Repeating myself again here...the more you win game 1 by, the greater the expectation that you'll win/should win game 2....rightly or wrongly. If you win by 38 at home you tell me you're going to be equally as confident about game 2 as if you won by 4 points....I think not. That's the point.

BTW, you never showed me a thread where you were not siding with WIS on a game result.
4/19/2010 3:56 PM
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4/19/2010 4:02 PM
That is where your thinking is off. One result can be a predictor, but it doesn't make it a lock. Ever.

As for HCA. You used Cameron. If someone plays Duke in Cameron, they are vastly more likely to get blown out than if they were to play them on their home court, regardless of their own HCA. They are minus the negative of playing away and Duke doesn't have the positive of the home crowd/court (since you don't seem to get that: two modifiers, one for the home team, one for the visitor). There are a great many teams that are a near lock at home who fail miserably on the road. WIS home court tends operate very simularly and that is desireable. With a talent disparity, those home wins can get pretty nasty and the road losses closer.
4/19/2010 4:06 PM
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