What Is A "Fair Share" When It Comes To Taxes? Topic

It's pretty simple and it goes back to the first post of mine that you commented on.   Just because Customer A makes 100k doesn't mean he should be charged more for the same service/product than Customer B(who makes 30k) pays.   And, if the government doesn't have enough money to fund whatever they need to fund, they make cuts just like a business would.   Don't extend the debt ceiling, fix the goddam problem. 

8/12/2011 2:11 PM
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The problem with the entire system is that far too many decisions are made with the next term in mind.   I think political reform would go a lot further than simple tax reform.  Eliminate 2nd terms and politicians will either stop being career politicians or they will actually do what's best rather than pander to the public.   Not to single Obama out(even though it's what I'm doing) but he's been campaigning for his second term for a year.   If that didn't exist, at worst, he'd simply be pushing for his "legacy".

And the problem filters down to lowest forms of government. 
8/12/2011 4:09 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 8/12/2011 4:09:00 PM (view original):
The problem with the entire system is that far too many decisions are made with the next term in mind.   I think political reform would go a lot further than simple tax reform.  Eliminate 2nd terms and politicians will either stop being career politicians or they will actually do what's best rather than pander to the public.   Not to single Obama out(even though it's what I'm doing) but he's been campaigning for his second term for a year.   If that didn't exist, at worst, he'd simply be pushing for his "legacy".

And the problem filters down to lowest forms of government. 
Is that really true?

Bush stayed in Iraq and won a 2nd term. That is the easiest one. The fact is that in Congress almost everyone gets re-elected. Everyone gets a ton of donations.

It seems to be a myth that everyone is somehow making decisions to get reelected.

And do you really want a Congressman that can do anything he wants with no fear? Would that make for better government.

you need votes to win an election. Votes are people!
8/13/2011 12:40 AM
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Go back to that 30% sales tax thing you were talking about would you please? I got a good laugh out of that. I don't see any humor in changing The Constitution.

8/13/2011 8:49 AM
8/13/2011 11:51 AM
Warren Buffet doesn't want your sympathy and coddling.

www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html


I would leave rates for 99.7 percent of taxpayers unchanged and continue the current 2-percentage-point reduction in the employee contribution to the payroll tax. This cut helps the poor and the middle class, who need every break they can get.

But for those making more than $1 million — there were 236,883 such households in 2009 — I would raise rates immediately on taxable income in excess of $1 million, including, of course, dividends and capital gains. And for those who make $10 million or more — there were 8,274 in 2009 — I would suggest an additional increase in rate.

My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice.

8/15/2011 10:33 AM
Posted by moosep on 8/13/2011 8:49:00 AM (view original):

Go back to that 30% sales tax thing you were talking about would you please? I got a good laugh out of that. I don't see any humor in changing The Constitution.

Because this world is the same world we had in 1787?  I thought liberals considered themselves progressive.     A 224 year old document doesn't need some updating?
8/15/2011 10:38 AM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 8/13/2011 12:40:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/12/2011 4:09:00 PM (view original):
The problem with the entire system is that far too many decisions are made with the next term in mind.   I think political reform would go a lot further than simple tax reform.  Eliminate 2nd terms and politicians will either stop being career politicians or they will actually do what's best rather than pander to the public.   Not to single Obama out(even though it's what I'm doing) but he's been campaigning for his second term for a year.   If that didn't exist, at worst, he'd simply be pushing for his "legacy".

And the problem filters down to lowest forms of government. 
Is that really true?

Bush stayed in Iraq and won a 2nd term. That is the easiest one. The fact is that in Congress almost everyone gets re-elected. Everyone gets a ton of donations.

It seems to be a myth that everyone is somehow making decisions to get reelected.

And do you really want a Congressman that can do anything he wants with no fear? Would that make for better government.

you need votes to win an election. Votes are people!
Yes, it's really true. 

Bombing the dirty Muslins was pretty popular with the public.   We were 5-6 years into it before the people hated it.    No one would be getting re-election donations with one term.  Rather than fundraisers they could concentrate on the job at hand.   Last time I checked there was more than one Congressman and we still have a system of checks and balances.  One rogue Congressman can't do any more damage with one term than he can now.
8/15/2011 10:42 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/15/2011 10:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moosep on 8/13/2011 8:49:00 AM (view original):

Go back to that 30% sales tax thing you were talking about would you please? I got a good laugh out of that. I don't see any humor in changing The Constitution.

Because this world is the same world we had in 1787?  I thought liberals considered themselves progressive.     A 224 year old document doesn't need some updating?
I love how you always go to the extreme.Why don't you take an item and follow it from raw material to product. Make sure to keep adding that 30% on at every stop and then tell me how much the cost will be.
8/15/2011 3:30 PM
If you can't afford it, don't buy it.    Very simple concept.  VERY SIMPLE!!!

Of course, I guess it's just easier to say "I'd like someone else to pay more taxes.  That seems fair to me!"
8/15/2011 4:09 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/15/2011 10:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 8/13/2011 12:40:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/12/2011 4:09:00 PM (view original):
The problem with the entire system is that far too many decisions are made with the next term in mind.   I think political reform would go a lot further than simple tax reform.  Eliminate 2nd terms and politicians will either stop being career politicians or they will actually do what's best rather than pander to the public.   Not to single Obama out(even though it's what I'm doing) but he's been campaigning for his second term for a year.   If that didn't exist, at worst, he'd simply be pushing for his "legacy".

And the problem filters down to lowest forms of government. 
Is that really true?

Bush stayed in Iraq and won a 2nd term. That is the easiest one. The fact is that in Congress almost everyone gets re-elected. Everyone gets a ton of donations.

It seems to be a myth that everyone is somehow making decisions to get reelected.

And do you really want a Congressman that can do anything he wants with no fear? Would that make for better government.

you need votes to win an election. Votes are people!
Yes, it's really true. 

Bombing the dirty Muslins was pretty popular with the public.   We were 5-6 years into it before the people hated it.    No one would be getting re-election donations with one term.  Rather than fundraisers they could concentrate on the job at hand.   Last time I checked there was more than one Congressman and we still have a system of checks and balances.  One rogue Congressman can't do any more damage with one term than he can now.
Has anyone ever found evidence that a member of congress changed a political view because of a donation? 

Congress has the power. Companies give moeny to the people that support their views, that isnt buying a senator. Do you really think the Tea Party is going to change their minds about taxes if the dontributions change? Do you really think Obama would get less donations from business if he adopted a polict that is less "European Socialist"?

For all their flaws our Government is made up of good people.
8/15/2011 4:29 PM
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