Quick Drafts - 1920's - Completed Topic

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1921 Rabbit Maranville - $5,679,397

$174,694,436
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
1 1 jonstephen25 Ruth, Babe OF 1921 26,701,562 26,701,562
1 2 schwarze Hornsby, Rogers 2B 1924 19,727,098 19,727,098
1 3 3dayrotation Gehrig, Lou 1B 1927 22,558,810 22,558,810
1 4 footballmm11 Johnson, Walter SP 1924 10,346,182 10,346,182
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
2 5 footballmm11 Vance, Dazzy SP 1924 11,875,690 22,221,872
2 6 schwarze Sisler, George 1B 1920 11,418,451 31,145,549
2 7 3dayrotation Foxx, Jimmie 3B 1929 7,896,458 30,455,268
2 8 jonstephen25 Adams, Babe SP 1920 8,400,455 35,102,017
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
3 9 footballmm11 Speaker, Tris OF 1920 10,627,526 32,849,398
3 10 3dayrotation Simmons, Al OF 1929 10,170,113 40,625,381
3 11 schwarze Braxton, Garland SP 1928 8,082,484 39,228,033
3 12 jonstephen25 Heilmann, Harry OF 1923 9,886,067 44,988,084
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
4 13 footballmm11 Luque, Dolf SP 1923 12,455,991 45,305,389
4 14 schwarze Frisch, Frankie 3B 1924 8,043,086 47,271,119
4 15 3dayrotation Cobb, Ty OF 1922 9,497,786 50,123,167
4 16 jonstephen25 Grimes, Burleigh SP 1920 10,799,780 55,787,864
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
5 17 footballmm11 Collins, Eddie 2B 1920 9,086,045 54,391,434
5 18 schwarze Rixey, Eppa SP 1924 8,351,895 55,623,014
5 19 3dayrotation Cochrane, Mickey C 1927 5,335,748 55,458,915
5 20 jonstephen25 Jackson, Travis SS 1929 6,895,051 62,682,915
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
6 21 footballmm11 Waner, Paul OF 1927 9,676,145 64,067,579
6 22 3dayrotation O'Doul, Lefty OF 1929 9,777,442 65,236,357
6 23 schwarze Moore, Wilcy RP 1927 7,705,580 63,328,594
6 24 jonstephen25 Ott, Mel OF 1929 8,301,393 70,984,308
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
7 25 schwarze Bancroft, Dave SS 1921 7,449,467 70,778,061
7 26 footballmm11 Traynor, Pie 3B 1925 6,704,096 70,771,675
7 27 3dayrotation Donohue, Pete SP 1925 11,050,028 76,286,385
7 28 jonstephen25 Miljus, Johnny RP 1927 2,880,516 73,864,824
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
8 29 footballmm11 Hollocher, Charlie SS 1920 3,817,929 74,589,604
8 30 schwarze Jackson, Joe OF 1920 8,653,483 79,431,544
8 31 jonstephen25 Grabowski, Al RP 1929 2,224,288 76,089,112
8 32 3dayrotation Ehmke, Howard RP 1926 5,455,705 81,742,090
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
9 33 footballmm11 Haid, Hal RP 1928 1,728,394 76,317,998
9 34 jonstephen25 Grove, Lefty SP 1928 8,744,022 84,833,134
9 35 schwarze Williams, Ken OF 1923 8,731,148 88,162,692
9 36 3dayrotation Mays, Carl SP 1926 8,712,039 90,454,129
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
10 37 footballmm11 Goslin, Goose OF 1926 7,509,780 83,827,778
10 38 jonstephen25 Dibut, Pedro RP 1924 1,329,352 86,162,486
10 39 schwarze Coveleski, Stan SP 1920 10,318,296 98,480,988
10 40 3dayrotation Napier, Buddy RP 1920 1,437,391 91,891,520
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
11 41 footballmm11 Howe, Les RP 1923 1,183,935 85,011,713
11 42 jonstephen25 Cooney, Johnny RP 1922 946,597 87,109,083
11 43 3dayrotation Stone, Arnie RP 1924 1,979,596 93,871,116
11 44 schwarze Barnes, Virgil RP 1922 1,582,843 100,063,831
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
12 45 footballmm11 Burns, Dennis RP 1923 849,583 85,861,296
12 46 jonstephen25 Alexander, Pete SP 1920 10,921,525 98,030,608
12 47 3dayrotation Pennock, Herb SP 1928 6,631,203 100,502,319
12 48 schwarze Lucas, Red SP 1927 8,203,325 108,267,156
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
13 49 footballmm11 Faber, Red SP 1921 10,611,401 96,472,697
13 50 jonstephen25 Cooper, Wilbur SP 1920 9,781,208 107,811,816
13 51 3dayrotation Benton, Rube RP 1924 4,835,234 105,337,553
13 52 schwarze Schang, Wally C 1921 4,838,676 113,105,832
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
14 53 footballmm11 League Park II Park ----- 2,000,000 98,472,697
14 54 3dayrotation Smith, Sherry RP 1920 3,583,127 108,920,680
14 55 jonstephen25 Bottomley, Jim 1B 1928 6,980,167 114,791,983
14 56 schwarze Lyons, Ted SP 1927 10,282,049 123,387,881
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
15 57 footballmm11 Farrell, Doc SS 1927 2,000,383 100,473,080
15 58 3dayrotation Lazzeri, Tony 2B 1929 7,461,007 116,381,687
15 59 jonstephen25 Lindstrom, Freddy 3B 1928 7,094,831 121,886,814
15 60 schwarze Hargrave, Bubbles C2 1923 5,320,140 128,708,021
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
16 61 footballmm11 Hartnett, Gabby C 1928 5,092,508 105,565,588
16 62 3dayrotation Wingfield, Ted RP 1924 739,079 117,120,766
16 63 jonstephen25 Grantham, George 2B 1929 4,863,307 126,750,121
16 64 schwarze Cuyler, Kiki OF 1925 8,520,696 137,228,717
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
17 65 footballmm11 D ykes, Jimmy SS 1929 4,531,762 110,097,350
17 66 3dayrotation Gudat, Marv RP 1929 686,098 117,806,864
17 67 jonstephen25 Gehringer, Charlie 2B 1929 7,246,087 133,996,208
17 68 schwarze Mails, Duster RP 1920 1,921,598 139,150,315
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
18 69 footballmm11 Morton, Guy RP 1921 3,679,431 113,776,781
18 70 3dayrotation McQuaid, Herb RP 1923 989,994 118,796,858
18 71 jonstephen25 O'Farrell, Bob C 1923 5,421,326 139,417,534
18 72 schwarze Heimach, Fred RP 1926 910,262 140,060,577
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
19 73 footballmm11 Sewell, Joe SS 1923 6,672,162 120,448,943
19 74 3dayrotation Mohart, George RP 1920 953,303 119,750,161
19 75 jonstephen25 Bengough, Benny C2 1926 1,927,056 141,344,590
19 76 schwarze Shea, Red RP 1921 828,467 140,889,044
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
20 77 3dayrotation Cooney, Jimmy SS 1924 3,856,763 123,606,924
20 78 footballmm11 Smith, Earl C2 1924 2,181,986 122,630,929
20 79 schwarze Russell, Reb OF 1922 3,185,327 144,074,371
20 80 jonstephen25 Schulte, Johnny C3 1927 2,656,602 144,001,192
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
21 81 footballmm11 Fonseca, Lew 1B 1929 7,946,560 130,577,489
21 82 3dayrotation Bohne, Sam SS 1924 2,794,927 126,401,851
21 83 jonstephen25 Mostil, Johnny OF 1923 5,744,209 149,745,401
21 84 schwarze Klein, Chuck OF 1929 7,757,014 151,831,385
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
22 85 3dayrotation Wrightstone, Russ OF 1925 2,808,803 129,210,654
22 86 footballmm11 McNamara, Tim RP 1922 2,089,728 132,667,217
22 87 jonstephen25 Wilson, Hack OF 1929 7,807,743 157,553,144
22 88 schwarze Williams, Cy OF 1929 927,337 152,758,722
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
23 89 3dayrotation Brooks, Mandy OF 1925 3,461,568 132,672,222
23 90 footballmm11 Herman, Babe OF 1929 7,097,195 139,764,412
23 91 schwarze Moore, Eddie OF 1924 3,183,444 155,942,166
23 92 jonstephen25 Manush, Heinie OF 1928 9,201,249 166,754,393
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
24 93 3dayrotation Collins, Pat C 1922 2,094,297 134,766,519
24 94 footballmm11 Jacobson, Baby Doll OF 1920 7,939,523 147,703,935
24 95 schwarze Bell, Les SS 1923 755,798 156,697,964
24 96 jonstephen25 Ehrhardt, Rube RP 1924 2,260,646 169,015,039
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
25 97 3dayrotation Jones, Sam SP 1921 9,787,632 144,554,151
25 98 footballmm11 Bassler, Johnny C 1924 4,754,574 152,458,509
25 99 schwarze Sportsman Park III Park ---- 2,000,000 158,697,964
25 100 jonstephen25 Wrigley Field Park ---- 2,000,000 171,015,039
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Round Pick OWNER PLAYER, POS Pos Year Salary Cumul. Salary
26 101 3dayrotation Baker Bowl Park ---- 2,000,000 146,554,151
26 102 footballmm11 Vangilder, Elam SP 1922 8,243,336 160,701,845
26 103 schwarze Whitehill, Earl RP 1923 929,018 159,626,982
26 104 jonstephen25 Maranville, Rabbit 2B 1921 5,679,397 176,694,436
5/14/2020 5:39 PM
Posted by schwarze on 5/14/2020 4:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by footballmm11 on 5/14/2020 4:13:00 PM (view original):
So, given this was a 3-player draft at the top, who would you all have taken with #4?

Also curious if schwarze was really considering League Park or not given I burned a 14th rounder on it!
7.0.1
I actually would have been fine picking 4th in this draft. I wouldn't have take Gehrig 3rd. In fact, had Hornsby went #1, I would have strongly considered taking Dazzy Vance at #2. In my opinion, he's by far the best pitcher in this decade. Outfield is so deep, I may have passed on Ruth, given that 8 teams in the division are throwing deadball pitchers. I only took Hornsby because of his super high AVG and the fact he plays 2B.

I wasn't considering a ballpark that early and I was also trying to keep my options open as Hornsby & Ken Williams do have a little HR pop. And I added Klein later. There isn't a lot of HR power in the 1900's and 1910's so I do want to have some home field advantage against those teams so I probably was never taking a big negative HR park. I almost took the Baker Bowl to see if I could score 8+ runs a game. But that park had HR factors a little too high for my taste. I do have a lot of doubles and triples and since there aren't a lot of big triples parks in the 1920's, I went with Sportsman III (which I don't think I've ever used before).
Glad to hear that. I debated between Walter Johnson, Luque, and Vance for my #4/5 picks and also considered briefly George Sisler. My cheat sheet used $/IP as the baseline so I initially had Johnson and Luque queued up but didn't realize Johnson's "best" season was due mostly to his great hitting. I still ended up liking his 1924 season enough to draft him, but ended up switching to Vance as he is the best pure SP.
5/14/2020 7:48 PM
Posted by schwarze on 5/14/2020 4:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by footballmm11 on 5/14/2020 4:13:00 PM (view original):
So, given this was a 3-player draft at the top, who would you all have taken with #4?

Also curious if schwarze was really considering League Park or not given I burned a 14th rounder on it!
7.0.1
I actually would have been fine picking 4th in this draft. I wouldn't have take Gehrig 3rd. In fact, had Hornsby went #1, I would have strongly considered taking Dazzy Vance at #2. In my opinion, he's by far the best pitcher in this decade. Outfield is so deep, I may have passed on Ruth, given that 8 teams in the division are throwing deadball pitchers. I only took Hornsby because of his super high AVG and the fact he plays 2B.

I wasn't considering a ballpark that early and I was also trying to keep my options open as Hornsby & Ken Williams do have a little HR pop. And I added Klein later. There isn't a lot of HR power in the 1900's and 1910's so I do want to have some home field advantage against those teams so I probably was never taking a big negative HR park. I almost took the Baker Bowl to see if I could score 8+ runs a game. But that park had HR factors a little too high for my taste. I do have a lot of doubles and triples and since there aren't a lot of big triples parks in the 1920's, I went with Sportsman III (which I don't think I've ever used before).
Glad to hear that. I debated between Walter Johnson, Luque, and Vance for my #4/5 picks and also considered briefly George Sisler. My cheat sheet used $/IP as the baseline so I initially had Johnson and Luque queued up but didn't realize Johnson's "best" season was due mostly to his great hitting. I still ended up liking his 1924 season enough to draft him, but ended up switching to Vance as he is the best pure SP.
5/14/2020 7:48 PM
Just for posterity, here are my thoughts on my draft and how my team shakes out heading into the season:

DRAFT THOUGHTS:

1st Round: SP Walter Johnson
2nd Round: SP Dazzy Vance

Essentially, these were pick 1A and 1B as I was definitely going to have the top pick in Rd 2 after the first 3 picks went. I had Ruth, Hornsby and Gehrig as the top 3 overall. Initially, my cheat sheet rated Walter Johnson and Dolf Luque as the top 2 pitchers but it was actually 1925 Johnson due to his superior hitting abilities (I use $/IP as a first cut at "quality"). After realizing the issue with pitcher hitting, I dove back in and settled on Johnson and Vance. With Johnson, I liked his (more expensive) 1924 season enough that I could take that and decide later whether to go with '24 or '25. And Vance I had as just a superior pitcher to Luque, who had slightly more innings and slightly better hitting.

I also briefly considered Garland Braxton (best ERC# of any SP, but "only" 230 IP) and George Sisler (as the top hitter, but just not good enough). I ultimately decided without one of the top 3 hitters I was going to have to have the best pitching/defense so I started with the top 2 pitchers.

3rd Round: OF Tris Speaker
I actually had Dolf Luque still as the top player on my board and almost went with him but decided to grab a hitter just for balance and optionality later on. I agree with schwarze that OF is deep but Speaker was an elite combination of hitting production, defense, and at-bats. He actually had a couple different seasons I was considering so I took his most expensive for the optionality later on, but I did end up keeping that top salary season.

4th Round: SP Dolf Luque
I may be missing something but I think Luque is arguably the 2nd-best pitcher in this decade. He threw 339 innings, his ERC# was 6th-best and the only guys ahead of him were two Dazzy Vance seasons and three guys who threw 277, 230, and 225 IP. So I was very happy to grab him here, though I did also consider Ty Cobb and Frankie Frisch as well. Naturally, they went with the next two picks.

5th Round: 2B Eddie Collins
Cobb, Frisch, and Collins were my top 3 hitters I looked at in the 4th Round, so I hoped one would fall to me here and luckily after Cobb and Frisch went, Collins did slip to me. 2B is actually very deep in the 20s when you only have to go 4 deep. You have obviously Hornsby at the top, but then Collins, Frisch, and Lazzeri are all really good as well, with Grantham, Gehringer, and a couple others as well.

However, I saw that schwarze took Frisch after taking Hornsby which meant he was going to play him at 3B or SS so that shrunk the pool a bit and made Collins even more attractive. I thought about Travis Jackson as SS is thinner, but felt he just wasn't good enough to warrant going ahead of Collins.

6th Round: OF Paul Waner
I really struggled with this pick. There were just so many OF left, and all were pretty close with your pick of defense, offense, combination, whatever. I really looked hard at SS Dave Bancroft but again just didn't think he was quite a good enough hitter. I finally opted for Paul Waner who wasn't the best hitter or best fielder but was the best combination. He also has good 1B fielding ratings which gives some more optionality (which I will probably end up using! more on that later). I also looked hard at Lefty O'Doul (better hitter, worse fielder) and Bancroft.

7th Round: 3B Pie Traynor
Of course, schwarze snuck a few hundred thousand $ under me for the first time and snaked Bancroft with the first pick of the round. Ugh. I now knew I needed Charlie Hollocher at SS since I wanted a very good fielder there but I was deciding between his most expensive season and his lower-PA season with the A+ range. I wanted to take the most expensive season and decide later, but that put me JUST above schwarze and I didn't want that so I went with Pie Traynor who got me just $7,000 below schwarze and had the best defense of any reasonably hitting 3B, which is the shallowest position in the 1920s.

Looking back, this was probably a reach/overreaction. Traynor ended up as my worst hitter and I may even platoon him, which is not a good look for my 7th pick. But the range is great and I need great defense so we'll see.

8th Round: SS Charlie Hollocher
3dayrotation still needed a SS so I couldn't wait on Hollocher as I had no other option I liked. The question was which season to take. I decided to go with his 389 PA, but A+ range 1920 season and forego the option for his slightly-worse quality but full-PA season with A- range. I decided to pair the left-handed hitting Hollocher with righty Doc Farrell who has a great-hitting 168 PA season and some reasonable SS defense (D/B+) in a nice little platoon. Locking in Hollocher did cost me the top reliever on the board in Al Grabowski--and I probably could have waited on Hollocher--but with my strategy I couldn't afford to risk losing him.

9th Round: RP Hal Haid
Time to lock in some reliever innings. I don't spend much time in the 1920s so it was fun to choose constantly between 300 innings or like 40 innings, with little in between. Haid at least had 50 IP, so he'll be (one of) my closer(s).

10th Round: OF Goose Goslin
At this point, I was starting to realize that I had no power, everyone else had a bunch, and I wasn't likely to be able to catch up. Goslin was the best hitting option on the board (his 1928 season with 556 PA but D+/C+ defense) and also had a full 709 PA season with slightly worse hitting but better fielding (C/A-). I drafted the latter season as it was more expensive but knew I was very likely to take 1928, which I ultimately did.

11th Round: RP Les Howe
12th Round: RP Dennis Burns
13th Round: SP Red Faber

The run on relievers continued. Starting with Al Grabowski (3rd pick of the 8th round), 10 of the next 15 picks were RP, including 6 in a row at the end of that streak (which ended with my pick of Burns). That shifted things so that the next best remaining pitchers were actually starters and so the reliever run was immediately followed by 5 straight SP, of which Faber was the 4th one taken. I had my eye on Faber or Lucas, so once Lucas went right ahead of me, I moved on Faber quickly.

14th Round: League Park II
I've now decided I need a minus-HR park and the question is whether to go pure pitcher's park in Griffith Stadium (-2/-2 for HR but also 0/-1/+1 for 1B/2B/3B) or non-HR hitters park in League Park II (-2/-2 for HR but +2/+3/0 for 1B/2B/3B). Speaker is a fantastic doubles hitter and Traynor, Collins, Goslin, and Waner are all very good doubles guys as well. If I could lock in League Park, I could really go all-in on my other hitters, but if I lost out on it, those would be wasted picks. I was certain that 3dayrotation and jonstephen25 wouldn't neuter Ruth or Gehrig by taking a -2 HR park, but at the time schwarze had Hornsby (25 HR), Frisch, Sisler, Joe Jackson, and Bancroft--all pretty low HR guys. He had drafted Ken Williams but even he only had 29 HR. Ultimately, I didn't have anyone else I really loved and liked the idea of putting together a doubles team, so I locked in the ballpark.

15th Round: SS Doc Farrell
At this point, nearly all the important PA/IP are either locked in, or I have so many options I coudln't even choose (this was a Catcher and 1B). So I figured I needed to lock up the only option I had to platoon with Hollocher at SS.

16th Round: C Gabby Hartnett
I had Hargrave and Hartnett as my top two remaining catchers, as both had good hitting, good doubles, and good arms. When schwarze took Hargrave, I jumped on Hartnett.

17th Round: 3B/SS Jimmy *****
I finally had some time to dive in on some research and ended up really liking Jimmy ***** 1929 season. His primary position is at SS, but he was a better fielder at 3B (D/A+) with the best range factor of any 3B season with .800+ OPS (except for his own 1925 season). Jimmie Foxx and Hornsby were the only other 3B without terrible fielding to have .900+ OPS. Traynor was my worst hitter and needed at least some support for rest, so I went with *****. More on my 3B combo to come, but I'm optimistic they can be a good tag team.

18th Round: RP Guy Morton
19th Round: SS Joe Sewell
20th Round: C Earl Smith
21st Round: 1B Lew Fonseca

Morton (RP innings), Sewell (backup SS at-bats), and Smith (my platoon partner for Hartnett) all filled some holes. I finally needed to grab a 1B and went with Fonseca for his A-/A- defense and solid hitting over some more offense-first options. I figured I could always grab a better hitting OF and slide Waner to 1B if I wanted more offense, and I may just end up doing some of that.

22nd Round: RP Tim McNamara
23rd Round: OF Babe Herman
24th Round: OF Baby Doll Jacobson
25th Round: C Johnny Bassler

Herman was my elite bat off the bench, but he's actually so good I might end up playing him some over Fonseca (sliding Waner over to 1B), though his D/D+ defense isn't great. Baby Doll Jacobson is my OF defensive replacement as I chose his A+ range season, plus he has very good doubles numbers and his name is just too good to pass up. Bassler gives me some insurance at catcher as Hartnett and Smith are a tad light on at-bats and it's not a position you can easily slide someone into. Plus, he's a lefty so can platoon with Hartnett when Smith needs a breather.

26th Round: SP Elam Vangilder
I needed one innings eater and Vangilder is a pretty decent pitcher and a very good hitting pitcher. I have no idea if that's useful or if it is if I can even find a way to use it, but worst case, he'll just soak up low-leverage innings for me.


ANALYSIS:
After taking some time post-draft to look at my team, I'm pretty happy with how things ended up, though I think it's an uphill battle with my lack of offense.

Given I went with a no-HR, all-doubles, pitching-and-defense team, I think things ended up with a pretty good balance. At the infield spots, my main starters are all B- or better at both fielding and range. At SS, Hollocher is actually a very close hitter compared to Jackson and Bancroft, the top two SS options. His OPS is slightly worse but his OBP is better than both and is not just more important than SLG overall but especially for me. The downside is you get just 389 PA, but while Farrell isn't as good of a defender (D/B+), he is BY FAR the best hitting SS option. At .970 OPS#, the only other SS options within 100 points of him are Joe Sewell (my 3rd string SS!) and Les Bell, who has just 64 PA. Frankie Frisch at .851 is next and that season wasn't even drafted! I think Hollocher/Farrell/Sewell will come very close to Jackson/Bancroft in total production, if not exceed it.

At 3B, the hitting options are very limited. For 3B seasons with at least C- range, only Hornsby and Foxx have better hitting seasons than *****. Limiting to A- range or better, you get one Foxx season (.948 OPS#, not used), ***** (.926), Frisch (.846, 80 points below *****) and then Traynor (.818). Traynor is the best hitting option of elite 3B defenders and ***** is the best hitting options of decent 3B defenders. Foxx and Frisch were long gone anyway (and Hornsby doesn't count as he's being played as a 2B) so the only real comparisons are Freddy Lindstrom and Pinky Whitney, but both are just slightly better hitters than Traynor but with B or B+ range, not A+. They are better feilders than ***** with B or A- fielding, but again worse range and much worse hitting.

At 2B, Collins doesn't have the elite range but with B/B+ defense he is very solid at both and his .919 OPS# far outpaces any other decent fielding option (non-Hornsby division). Lazzeri, Grantham, and Gehringer are all in the same range or slightly better as hitters but you're sacrificing fielding and/or range.

At 1B, the best OPS# of players with at least a B- in both fielding and range outside of Lou Gehrig are Paul Waner and Lew Fonseca, both on my roster. They are both (.979 for Waner, .934 for Fonseca) well ahead of Bill Terry, the next best option.

So in the infield, I feel good about my defense and all of them can hit very well plus I have some great hitting options (with worse fielding) to back them up if needed (*****, Farrell, Sewell, Waner).

In my outfield, I placed more of a premium on hitting than defense, so I don't have an elite A-range OF. Speaker at B/B+ will be my everyday CF, with Waner (B/B), Goose Goslin (D+/C+), and Babe Herman (D/D+) flanking him. However, they are all great hitters and great non-HR hitters at that and I'm hoping that IF defense is more important than OF defense, especially the corner OF spots where I may start Goslin and Herman against RHP. Baby Doll is a good defensive replacement (B+/A+) but I'm not even sure that the sim can correctly have him replace Goslin in the lineup, but put Jacobson in CF and slide Speaker over to a corner spot, which is what it should do.

My pitching has to be my advantage at least in my division and I think Vance, Johnson, and Luque are easily the best rotation in the division. But are they the best by a big enough margin? schwarze has three pretty good starters as well but all are in the 250 IP range and his bullpen is quite weak. The other two teams focused more on offense (especially 3dayrotation) so I will need to claw back some edge there. My relievers aren't great but nobody's are really. I have 3 very good ones, but they total just 111 innings. Luckily, though, my top 3 starters total 957, so that's 1,168 innings by those 6 guys.

Overall, I felt I was at a disadvantage without Ruth, Gehrig or Sisler, so my formula to win ended up as:
- Get the best pitching in the division
- Get elite infield defense (especially range) and decent outfield defense
- Maximize offensive output by combining elite 2-way players (Speaker, Collins, Waner), elite-hitting but low-PA platoon options (Farrell, Smith) and very good hitting bench players to both give optionality for more offense (at the expense of defense) and allow for platoons/pinch-hitting/double switches to maximize at-bats by elite hitters.
- Use my ballpark to both tailor it to my hitters and neutralize the hitters of my division rivals.

We'll see if it's enough!
5/15/2020 12:45 AM
Good writeup. I will add mine, albeit a shorter version.
5/18/2020 12:41 PM
Round 1 (overall #2 pick) - Rogers Honrsby
When I found out my draft spot, I was hoping Ruth would go first, otherwise I would have a hard choice between Ruth and Vance. Ruth always normalizes well, but having to play a large percentage of games vs. deadball pitchers did not excite me. I grabbed Rogers Hornsby due to his .424 average and his HR total wasn't that outrageous. And yes, I know second base is 4-5 deep, but c'mon... ..424!

Round 2 - George Sisler
I was really hoping that Vance would slide back to me, but it wasn't surprising he didn't. So many good OFs I could take here, and I briefly considered picking Babe Adams here, but his OAV vs all those 1900's and 1910's high average hitters scared me. 1B isn't that deep in the 1920's so George Sisler gives me another .400 hitter.

Round 3 - Garland Braxton
Not shocking Adams went. I would've strongly considered Tris Speaker here, but he was also gone. I thought about grabbing Frankie Frisch now (whom I targeted before the draft started). Somehow Garland Braxton is still left - so I take him. I do like Dolf Luque but he is better suited in a league with more HR hitting. I'd rather cut down on the pitcher's whip facing all those 1900's and 1910's hitters.

Round 4 - Frankie Frisch
So tempting to take Ty Cobb here. But I already have my outfielders. Based on who still needs OFs and what's left, I'm pretty sure I will get Joe Jackson and Ken Williams as my top 2 outfielders. I love switch hitters and so I lock up my third baseman.

Round 5 - Eppa Rixey
It was a bit too early to take a SS. I am still waiting on my OFs. No RPs worth taking this early. I knew I was platooning at catcher. So Rixey was my default pick. Best SP left.

Round 6 - Wilcy Moore
This pick sort of came to me at the last minute. He's terrible as a SP because of his low IP/G (and most people don't know how best to use him), but given the lack of good RP's in the 1920's, Moore is my full-time setup RP. While everybody else uses 3-4 picks to grab these 40-60 IP guys, I got a pretty decent 220 inning relief pitcher in one round - this is the main reason I didn't jump into the RP run earlier.

Round 7 - Dave Bancroft
I was targeting Bancroft this entire draft. I liked him over Travis Jackson. Did I mention that I love switch hitters? He has great range, a decent fielding rating, decent onbase% and plenty of plate appearances. And based on footballmm11's comments, I picked him at the exact right time. Had I missed Bancroft, I would have been fine with 1922 Hollocher as my everyday SS.

Round 8 - Joe Jackson
Round 9 - Ken Williams

Johnny Miljus goes off the board, Al Grabowski and Hal Haid too... and I can feel the RP run coming soon. But I wanted to lock up my two big OF bats. This is why I drafted Wilcy Moore.

Round 10 - Stan Coveleski
Some short-inning relievers get taken. I just can't waste a pick this early on a guy with 30 innings. Stan Coveleski was the best SP left.

Round 11 - Virgil Barnes
OK - so I finally grabbed a true reliever. At least he has 55 innings.

Round 12 - Red Lucas
After Alexander and Pennock went, I figured I'd better get my fourth SP. Lucas was the next guy on my list. Faber and Cooper went right after so I think I made the right decision here.

Round 13 - Wally Schang
One of my favorite catchers to use in any league format. There are actually a lot of catcher options in the 1920's, so it wasn't critical; to make the pick now, but there was nothing else I really needed. Might as well take my favorite. Oh, and he's a switch hitter.

Round 14 - Ted Lyons
The relief pitching is so think that I grabbed Ted Lyons as a long-reliever. His stats aren't any worse than the top RPs on the board.

Round 15 - Bubbles Hargrave
It was a tossup between Hartnett and Hargrave. Who doesn't want a player they call "Bubbles" on his roster?

Round 16 - Kiki Cuyler
This is essentially the last player I need. The last 9 rounds are just fillers (pinch hitters, defensive replacements, more innings). I took Cutler over Chuck Klein's 43 HRs due to the deadball pitching.

Round 17 - Duster Mails
Round 18 - Fred Heimach
Round 19 - Red Shea

These are the best RPs left. I need warm bodies to throw when Wilcy Moore gets tired from pitching his fourth game in a row.

Round 20 - Reb Russell
Round 21 - Chuck Klein
Round 22 - Cy Williams
Round 23 - Eddie Moore

Yep - I took four outfielders in a row, mostly to use as pinch hitters, although I may be able to find a few spots to get Chuck Klein into the starting lineup.

Round 24 - Les Bell
I didn't really need him, but he is a great backup SS who can field and also pinch hit

Round 25 - Earl Whitehill
I will probably put him on Rest all year. A great 16x16 theme "screw everybody else" pick. And the inspiration for my team name.

There is so much talent in the 1920's, I bet I could build a roster from the undrafted players and win over 81 games in an open league.
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