well, the school they are leaving has to okay it, and the school they are going to has to okay it. At least that's the way it worked for my kids. If there are other restrictions I'm not aware of them.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/9/2018 9:38:00 PM (view original):
What do you mean it's not unlimited? Are you saying there's restrictions on where kids can go out of district?

No, I mean if 250 kids from **** school A want to go to a better school but there are only 200 open spots at better schools, tough **** for the 50 that miss out.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/9/2018 9:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/9/2018 9:38:00 PM (view original):
What do you mean it's not unlimited? Are you saying there's restrictions on where kids can go out of district?

No, I mean if 250 kids from **** school A want to go to a better school but there are only 200 open spots at better schools, tough **** for the 50 that miss out.

May be same way here. I'm not sure. I think that would be understandable as schools may be only able to accommodate so many. It's unfortunate for the ones who miss. Using your example, 80% are benefiting from the better school.

Posted by wylie715 on 1/9/2018 9:45:00 PM (view original):
well, the school they are leaving has to okay it, and the school they are going to has to okay it. At least that's the way it worked for my kids. If there are other restrictions I'm not aware of them.

We don't have this restriction, but the kids do have to be attending "failing" schools to leave.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/9/2018 10:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/9/2018 9:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/9/2018 9:38:00 PM (view original):
What do you mean it's not unlimited? Are you saying there's restrictions on where kids can go out of district?

No, I mean if 250 kids from **** school A want to go to a better school but there are only 200 open spots at better schools, tough **** for the 50 that miss out.

May be same way here. I'm not sure. I think that would be understandable as schools may be only able to accommodate so many. It's unfortunate for the ones who miss. Using your example, 80% are benefiting from the better school.

Regardless, the fact that kids need to move to better schools to give themselves a better chance in life proves my point. Where you start is the biggest factor in where you end up.

Parents definitely play a large role. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that. I am a firm believer; however, that your environment only defines you if you allow it. It's a choice.

Where I live a kid has to go to the school in their district.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/9/2018 10:19:00 PM (view original):
Parents definitely play a large role. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that. I am a firm believer; however, that your environment only defines you if you allow it. It's a choice.

The disadvantages that blacks have had to face over the last 200 years have been compounding the entire time.

Some have been lucky enough to move up but it’s extremely ignorant to pretend that everyone could just choose to move up in life.

Posted by tangplay on 1/9/2018 10:44:00 PM (view original):
Where I live a kid has to go to the school in their district.

So, why do you say school choice doesn't work?

Posted by bad_luck on 1/9/2018 10:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/9/2018 10:19:00 PM (view original):
Parents definitely play a large role. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that. I am a firm believer; however, that your environment only defines you if you allow it. It's a choice.

The disadvantages that blacks have had to face over the last 200 years have been compounding the entire time.

Some have been lucky enough to move up but it’s extremely ignorant to pretend that everyone could just choose to move up in life.

No, see that's where you're wrong. It's ignorant and down right dangerous to act like people can't just choose to move up in life.

Moving up in life is not a matter of luck. Everyone has an equal playing field. I know you disagree with this, but tell me one way that blacks are at a disadvantage. I'm going to wager that you can't come up with one.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/10/2018 7:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/9/2018 10:44:00 PM (view original):
Where I live a kid has to go to the school in their district.

So, why do you say school choice doesn't work?

Because where I live it doesn't happen?

I also helped a local region with a.debate tournament so I have a ton of stuff around education readily available.

Posted by tangplay on 1/10/2018 8:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/10/2018 7:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/9/2018 10:44:00 PM (view original):
Where I live a kid has to go to the school in their district.

So, why do you say school choice doesn't work?

Because where I live it doesn't happen?

I also helped a local region with a.debate tournament so I have a ton of stuff around education readily available.

You're Not making any sense. It sounds like you're saying that since it's not done in Kansas, then it doesn't work.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/9/2018 7:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/9/2018 10:23:00 AM (view original):
They should unless the people are not motivated. Places like Home Depot, oil distributors, hospitals are always hiring. People need to be willing to work hard. You are coddling everyone from what I gather and then making excuses for them. America is the land of opportunity but history favors the bold. Sitting at home and watching TV does not help one get out of poverty. Maybe your group should make some connections with local employers and help these people attain well paying jobs? If they are not weighed down by kids and have a high school education or equivalent they should be able to find some solid jobs.

You have this idea that if someone is poor, it's because they do not work hard and therefore deserve to be poor. You probably also think that people who are rich became rich due to their hard work and smarts and therefore deserve to be rich.

This is mostly bullshit. (Obviously, there are lazy poor people and very hard working rich people. But most people are where they are because of the parents they picked.)

Taking this bullshit position allows people to argue that we shouldn't do things to improve inner city schools, provide more social services, etc. It's shameful.

We live in a country that has ridiculous amounts of wealth. It makes no sense that my kid, because he lives in an upper-middle class neighborhood, can go to the public school two blocks away and get an education that rivals the local private schools. The classes are small, the teachers are motivated, they are able to fund raise to pay for specialized art, drama, and music classes. They are even able to deal with kids who are developmentally disabled.

At the same time, not even 5 miles away, there are kids who go to a local public school that completely sucks. They aren't able to fund raise for extra programs. Their classes are bigger and they can't deal with kids with handicaps.

This makes zero sense.

There's a reason economic mobility is so low and it isn't "poor people are just lazy."

What? LOL

1. I pay my high RE taxes because they go to the school system. If I could pay less I would but I cannot. Part of the reason I moved to the high priced area was for the schools. I also want to drive a Ferrari but I cannot afford it. I can however afford a decent car. These students can get a decent education. At least in MA they can. The delta between where I live and a "lower priced" neighborhood is not that significant.
2. Capitalism has some flaws. But if that same child studies hard and receives parental support they can be successful in any school system in MA. I cannot speak for other states because I don't live in them.
3. My parents came here with $100 and did not speak English. They made their "wealth" by working hard and saving. They only had one kid because that was all they could afford at the time. I use them as an example of people who plain and simply worked hard.

Your post like most of your posts makes zero sense because you are an idiot.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/9/2018 10:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/9/2018 10:19:00 PM (view original):
Parents definitely play a large role. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that. I am a firm believer; however, that your environment only defines you if you allow it. It's a choice.

The disadvantages that blacks have had to face over the last 200 years have been compounding the entire time.

Some have been lucky enough to move up but it’s extremely ignorant to pretend that everyone could just choose to move up in life.

1. You are dumb.
2. Stop using color as a damn excuse.
3. African Americans only need to get a 70% on the police test to get on the force. Whites need a 100%. In MA we do scale because yes, not everyone is educated equally according to our politicians. They are dumb. Like you.
4. We are a progressive state and education is fairly strong all around.
5. You are an idiot
6. I am color blind when it comes to hiring people. I only care if they have the willingness to learn and to work hard.
7. 70% of African American kids grow up in a one parent household. This is culture based not race based. Change the damn culture.
8. You are stupid.
9. My African American friends do experience some prejudicial treatment still but they agree that they are grateful to live in America despite what their ancestors had to go through because otherwise they would be living in Africa.
10. There is a difference between inequity and inequality. NBA is 75% African American. No one complains.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/10/2018 7:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/9/2018 10:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/9/2018 10:19:00 PM (view original):
Parents definitely play a large role. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that. I am a firm believer; however, that your environment only defines you if you allow it. It's a choice.

The disadvantages that blacks have had to face over the last 200 years have been compounding the entire time.

Some have been lucky enough to move up but it’s extremely ignorant to pretend that everyone could just choose to move up in life.

No, see that's where you're wrong. It's ignorant and down right dangerous to act like people can't just choose to move up in life.

Moving up in life is not a matter of luck. Everyone has an equal playing field. I know you disagree with this, but tell me one way that blacks are at a disadvantage. I'm going to wager that you can't come up with one.

That fact that the % of students in those failing schools who apply to attend better schools is not 100% shows that b_l is once again totally full of sheit.
Someone, either the student or the parent(s), is making a choice that they don't want to attend that better school and start themselves on a path to a better life. They have the opportunity to get the exact same educational experience but don't even pursue it. Guess that's somehow society's fault too.