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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/01/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By mhulshult on 12/01/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/01/2008

I went thru this the other day. If people are joining certain worlds due to the high number of openings, those worlds do not affect supply.

There is no guarantee that even one owner from those worlds will join another world if said worlds close. They do not affect demand.

WifS world shutdown is pointless and potentially runs off customers.




I disagree. Any world with an opening is affecting supply. The opening is the supply of the good.

And you're right, there is no guarantee, but I'd put the number somewhere around 80% or more of the people who enjoy HBD would join another world if their world got shut down. The other 20% may be bitter and move on. You can argue with the % I threw out, but I'm sure at least some would join other worlds.



I guess we'll disagree. I assume no one eats **** sandwiches. So, if someone makes 12 **** sandwiches, it doesn't matter as no one will buy them. So they can make 6 or 60 and the supply is still the same as far as the world is concerned.
I'm okay with agreeing to disagree, but you're comparing a random HBD team (that can be built to something desirable within 2-3 seasons) that has value to a certain percentage of the population to something that no one wants. If my worlds got shut down, I'd still find value in an open team. I would not, however, eat one of your 12 sandwiches.
12/1/2008 9:15 AM
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I did a check on MLHB owners the other day. IIRC, all of them have multiple teams. That's why they're content to sit there and see if WifS offers them a buyout to their liking. I think it's unlikely, just knowing what I'd do, that any of them would immediately join a world(if they were itching to do that, it would have been done).

So, IMO, more are likely to play with what they have. Maybe they'll seek another world. My guess is that they'd be a lot more discriminating in choosing a new world. May take them a week, may take them a month, they may never join a new world. A couple may just take their ball and home because WifS changed policy.
12/1/2008 9:20 AM
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agreed
12/1/2008 9:23 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mhulshult on 12/01/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/01/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By mhulshult on 12/01/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/01/2008

I went thru this the other day. If people are joining certain worlds due to the high number of openings, those worlds do not affect supply.

There is no guarantee that even one owner from those worlds will join another world if said worlds close. They do not affect demand.

WifS world shutdown is pointless and potentially runs off customers.




I disagree. Any world with an opening is affecting supply. The opening is the supply of the good.

And you're right, there is no guarantee, but I'd put the number somewhere around 80% or more of the people who enjoy HBD would join another world if their world got shut down. The other 20% may be bitter and move on. You can argue with the % I threw out, but I'm sure at least some would join other worlds.



I guess we'll disagree. I assume no one eats **** sandwiches. So, if someone makes 12 **** sandwiches, it doesn't matter as no one will buy them. So they can make 6 or 60 and the supply is still the same as far as the world is concerned.
I'm okay with agreeing to disagree, but you're comparing a random HBD team (that can be built to something desirable within 2-3 seasons) that has value to a certain percentage of the population to something that no one wants. If my worlds got shut down, I'd still find value in an open team. I would not, however, eat one of your 12 sandwiches.


While I don't disagree with your logic, I think it's highly unlikely that 21 people will find value in a world with 11 returning members. And you can't build a team until 20 others agree that there is value to be had.

Worlds with 21 openings have the same value as a **** sammich.
12/1/2008 9:25 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/01/2008
I did a check on MLHB owners the other day. IIRC, all of them have multiple teams. That's why they're content to sit there and see if WifS offers them a buyout to their liking. I think it's unlikely, just knowing what I'd do, that any of them would immediately join a world(if they were itching to do that, it would have been done).

I can't speak for the others, but this sums up my stance. Pieo is not giving up his team, so unless WIS offers a different settlement that doesn't require 100% acceptance, there is no decision to be made and no reason to leave the league either.

If the league folds (which is fine with me), I will not run out to join the league with the least openings. I will probably use the credits I have (and/or credits I received in a WIS offer) on leagues I'm already in unless an opportunity arose to join what I considered to be a top league, or the opportunity came to pick up a team I could turn into an instant WS contender with little effort in a lesser league (which is how I got the MLHB team in the first place). I have enough leagues that I'm committed to long term...unless a great opportunity opened up somewhere, I'm content to go with what I have.
12/1/2008 9:39 AM
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Admin needs to set a deadline for the deal in MLHB. Right now, there are 10 owners that won't leave because of the incentive to close up shop.
12/1/2008 10:08 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by raucous on 12/01/2008Admin needs to set a deadline for the deal in MLHB.  Right now, there are 10 owners that won't leave because of the incentive to close up shop. 

Are you suggesting that if WIS sets a deadline and it passes the ten owners will then leave?
12/1/2008 10:19 AM
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The most bizarre thing about the MLHB situation is that the holdouts are making no effort to recruit or save the world, other than the lame and pathetic thread in the Classifieds forum that one of them keeps bumping every couple of days.

The commish of that world has done absolutely nothing, as far as I can tell. And none of the others who want to save the world are stepping up to say "Make me commish so that I can try to get this thing going again".

MLHB just sits there, paralyzed by it's own inaction. Most of the remaining owners want to accept the buyout, but it's one or two who are holding out yet refusing to do anything.
12/1/2008 10:23 AM
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What can you do? Send sitemails that owners generally disregard? Make posts in other leagues? Post on the forums? There is no sure-fire way to recruit new owners, especially when you have to pay 25 bucks to play. There are going to be 100s of openings in about a week and a lot of owners already play in multiple leagues. WiS needs to find "new" owners. If not, leagues will continue to struggle to fill during rollover.
12/1/2008 10:34 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mhulshult on 12/01/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/01/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By mhulshult on 12/01/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/01/2008

I went thru this the other day. If people are joining certain worlds due to the high number of openings, those worlds do not affect supply.

There is no guarantee that even one owner from those worlds will join another world if said worlds close. They do not affect demand.

WifS world shutdown is pointless and potentially runs off customers.




I disagree. Any world with an opening is affecting supply. The opening is the supply of the good.

And you're right, there is no guarantee, but I'd put the number somewhere around 80% or more of the people who enjoy HBD would join another world if their world got shut down. The other 20% may be bitter and move on. You can argue with the % I threw out, but I'm sure at least some would join other worlds.



I guess we'll disagree. I assume no one eats **** sandwiches. So, if someone makes 12 **** sandwiches, it doesn't matter as no one will buy them. So they can make 6 or 60 and the supply is still the same as far as the world is concerned.
I'm okay with agreeing to disagree, but you're comparing a random HBD team (that can be built to something desirable within 2-3 seasons) that has value to a certain percentage of the population to something that no one wants. If my worlds got shut down, I'd still find value in an open team. I would not, however, eat one of your 12 sandwiches.
Don't like bread, hey!
12/1/2008 10:36 AM
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there is no way a league with 21 openings fills anytime in the next year with even the best efforts as Commish. I can't even get 7 spots filled right now in Harold Reynolds (plug) and there are pretty good teams . As long as worlds open up with less openings than yours... those will go first. This is a problem. I'm seriously considering dropping my team in HR if it continues to go unfilled.... I bet others feel this way as well in leagues with only 5, 6, 7 openings. That's just as bad if not worse than if a bunch hbd owners in deatbeat leagues are forced to close their league and a few choose not to re-up in another league.
12/1/2008 10:36 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By lylediekmann on 12/01/2008What can you do? Send sitemails that owners generally disregard? Make posts in other leagues? Post on the forums? There is no sure-fire way to recruit new owners, especially when you have to pay 25 bucks to play. There are going to be 100s of openings in about a week and a lot of owners already play in multiple leagues. WiS needs to find "new" owners. If not, leagues will continue to struggle to fill during rollover.
Would you agree that at least attempting to do something is better than sitting back and doing nothing?

I'm just trying to understand what the holdouts are expecting to magically happen to fill their world? I guess they're just looking for another free team giveway or promo code. But that's just a short term fix. If their world fills because of another giveaway, they'll just run into the same problems again three months later.
12/1/2008 10:39 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 12/01/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By lylediekmann on 12/01/2008
What can you do? Send sitemails that owners generally disregard? Make posts in other leagues? Post on the forums? There is no sure-fire way to recruit new owners, especially when you have to pay 25 bucks to play. There are going to be 100s of openings in about a week and a lot of owners already play in multiple leagues. WiS needs to find "new" owners. If not, leagues will continue to struggle to fill during rollover.
Would you agree that at least attempting to do something is better than sitting back and doing nothing?

I'm just trying to understand what the holdouts are expecting to magically happen to fill their world? I guess they're just looking for another free team giveway or promo code. But that's just a short term fix. If their world fills because of another giveaway, they'll just run into the same problems again three months later.

When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are.
12/1/2008 10:43 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 12/01/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By lylediekmann on 12/01/2008
What can you do? Send sitemails that owners generally disregard? Make posts in other leagues? Post on the forums? There is no sure-fire way to recruit new owners, especially when you have to pay 25 bucks to play. There are going to be 100s of openings in about a week and a lot of owners already play in multiple leagues. WiS needs to find "new" owners. If not, leagues will continue to struggle to fill during rollover.
Would you agree that at least attempting to do something is better than sitting back and doing nothing?

I'm just trying to understand what the holdouts are expecting to magically happen to fill their world? I guess they're just looking for another free team giveway or promo code. But that's just a short term fix. If their world fills because of another giveaway, they'll just run into the same problems again three months later.

I'm all for this announcement:

"Beginning today, any world that goes public and has more than 16 unfilled teams after 30 days will be closed up and your current season credit will be returned"

This way - no rewards are givin to those that can not fill a league, or won't. The league should not have been started in the first place if you have more than 16 owners leaving after 1 season. It also forces those commish to fill their league before the 30 days is up.... no more sitting around. If a world wants to stay private for a year - good for them... but public worlds should expire if they are deadbeat worlds.
12/1/2008 10:44 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By moy23 on 12/01/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 12/01/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By lylediekmann on 12/01/2008
What can you do? Send sitemails that owners generally disregard? Make posts in other leagues? Post on the forums? There is no sure-fire way to recruit new owners, especially when you have to pay 25 bucks to play. There are going to be 100s of openings in about a week and a lot of owners already play in multiple leagues. WiS needs to find "new" owners. If not, leagues will continue to struggle to fill during rollover.
Would you agree that at least attempting to do something is better than sitting back and doing nothing?

I'm just trying to understand what the holdouts are expecting to magically happen to fill their world? I guess they're just looking for another free team giveway or promo code. But that's just a short term fix. If their world fills because of another giveaway, they'll just run into the same problems again three months later.

I'm all for this announcement:

"Beginning today, any world that goes public and has more than 16 unfilled teams after 30 days will be closed up and your current season credit will be returned"

This way - no rewards are givin to those that can not fill a league, or won't. The league should not have been started in the first place if you have more than 16 owners leaving after 1 season. It also forces those commish to fill their league before the 30 days is up.... no more sitting around. If a world wants to stay private for a year - good for them... but public worlds should expire if they are deadbeat worlds.

So private worlds have no such penalty?
12/1/2008 10:48 AM
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