Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/03/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/03/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/02/2009

The fact is that in the Old GD days some people were annoyed by me, but you were almost universally reviled.

Epic understatement... and not the part about Snake



I may have punched that down a little.

Will you confirm that Snake was hated in a way that I could never approach?

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 12/05/2009
By your logic, swamp, your team would have 5 Gorman Thomas'. How many guys like him are there in the majors in any given year? Two? Maybe three?

Like this past season...Adam Dunn. Russell Branyan. Annnnd....I'm out. Seriously.

Nelson Cruz maybe? I don't know what his final numbers looked like.

And really, Adam Dunn and Branyan don't fit into your model, swamp. Those are guys that might only hit 240, but hit 40 HRs...but will draw a TON of walks. Dunn and Branyan both have ridiculously high career OBPs given how much they strike out.

The guys you listed will NEVER have a high OBP. So...please...name the guys in the majors last season with low batting averages, (below .250), 40 HRs or more (the Dunn threshold, I think that's reasonable), and an OBP of BELOW .300. Because that's what we're looking at here for your guys.

Also, when you're asking for a Gorman Thomas type of player, realize that you're still not talking about the performance you got from your guys...Thomas' career high in BA in a season where he qualified for the batting title was .246.

You were lamenting that your guys couldn't hit .280 or .290 and hit 50 HRs any more. Just keeping that in perspective.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009
<<<You were lamenting that your guys couldn't hit .280 or .290 and hit 50 HRs any more. Just keeping that in perspective.>>>

When did I ever say this? I just want my guys productive. Batting .240 with solid power is what I expect of these guys.

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/03/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/03/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/02/2009

The fact is that in the Old GD days some people were annoyed by me, but you were almost universally reviled.

Epic understatement... and not the part about Snake



I may have punched that down a little.

Will you confirm that Snake was hated in a way that I could never approach?

Let's put it in parallel terms.

Snake has a lot of resemblance to House.

You have a lot of resemblance to an invincible mosquito whose wings play livin la vida loca for eternity.

While Snake can certainly be a dick, at least he's right most of the time, even if he doesn't package it in a sugar coated way.

You, on the other hand, don't listen to logic, never concede a point, ignore when someone owns you to continue whatever moronic argument you are making, and claim the whole of the silent are on your side. You were a big reason I stopped playing GD and being active in their forums... and now I'd rather not read this drivel even though, on this topic I agree with you. Unfortunately, your taking up of this position, I feel hurts anyone who had a legitimate gripe with the change, or the way the change was done, and could express it in a rational, coherent, and well thought out way.

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 12/05/2009

By your logic, swamp, your team would have 5 Gorman Thomas'. How many guys like him are there in the majors in any given year? Two? Maybe three?

Like this past season...Adam Dunn. Russell Branyan. Annnnd....I'm out. Seriously.

Nelson Cruz maybe? I don't know what his final numbers looked like.

And really, Adam Dunn and Branyan don't fit into your model, swamp. Those are guys that might only hit 240, but hit 40 HRs...but will draw a TON of walks. Dunn and Branyan both have ridiculously high career OBPs given how much they strike out.

The guys you listed will NEVER have a high OBP. So...please...name the guys in the majors last season with low batting averages, (below .250), 40 HRs or more (the Dunn threshold, I think that's reasonable), and an OBP of BELOW .300. Because that's what we're looking at here for your guys.

Also, when you're asking for a Gorman Thomas type of player, realize that you're still not talking about the performance you got from your guys...Thomas' career high in BA in a season where he qualified for the batting title was .246.

You were lamenting that your guys couldn't hit .280 or .290 and hit 50 HRs any more. Just keeping that in perspective.

And I think you miss the point. WIS generate(d) way too many guys with 95+ power. While 100 is supposed to be the "Best of all time" in a category, to continually draft players who are capable of hitting 95% of 70 HR on a yearly basis is a problem.

It's unreasonable to penalize only those extremes because they generated those players, and created the system in which they hit those home runs, then allowed it go on for 3+ years.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/03/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/03/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/02/2009

The fact is that in the Old GD days some people were annoyed by me, but you were almost universally reviled.

Epic understatement... and not the part about Snake



I may have punched that down a little.

Will you confirm that Snake was hated in a way that I could never approach?

Let's put it in parallel terms.

Snake has a lot of resemblance to House.

You have a lot of resemblance to an invincible mosquito whose wings play livin la vida loca for eternity.

While Snake can certainly be a dick, at least he's right most of the time, even if he doesn't package it in a sugar coated way.

You, on the other hand, don't listen to logic, never concede a point, ignore when someone owns you to continue whatever moronic argument you are making, and claim the whole of the silent are on your side. You were a big reason I stopped playing GD and being active in their forums... and now I'd rather not read this drivel even though, on this topic I agree with you. Unfortunately, your taking up of this position, I feel hurts anyone who had a legitimate gripe with the change, or the way the change was done, and could express it in a rational, coherent, and well thought out way.

It never fails to amaze what little old me is given credit for.

I was the reason you stopped playing GD?? How is that possible. We almost never got close to each other in the game itself!

I was the reson you got off the forums?? I guess all those times I held a gun to your head and forced you to read AND RESPOND to my posts finally got to you huh!

Your comments about me are amusing. I have often asked for something that I was wrong about, or something that someone actually "owned" me on. No one ever has an answer. We disagreed on a lot. So when I wouldnt change my mind some people like you labeled me illogical.

Good example is carryover reform. I believed in it. Some people did not. Neither side was wrong.

And Snake was hated. People at the time would call him every name in the book, including mostly wrong. Your re writing history to make me look bad diminishes us all!

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009
And if you had a problem with the issue why didnt you start a thread.

I waited quite a while. If I hadnt posted and started this and kept it alive we wouldnt be talking about this now!

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 12/05/2009

By your logic, swamp, your team would have 5 Gorman Thomas'. How many guys like him are there in the majors in any given year? Two? Maybe three?

Like this past season...Adam Dunn. Russell Branyan. Annnnd....I'm out. Seriously.

Nelson Cruz maybe? I don't know what his final numbers looked like.

And really, Adam Dunn and Branyan don't fit into your model, swamp. Those are guys that might only hit 240, but hit 40 HRs...but will draw a TON of walks. Dunn and Branyan both have ridiculously high career OBPs given how much they strike out.

The guys you listed will NEVER have a high OBP. So...please...name the guys in the majors last season with low batting averages, (below .250), 40 HRs or more (the Dunn threshold, I think that's reasonable), and an OBP of BELOW .300. Because that's what we're looking at here for your guys.

Also, when you're asking for a Gorman Thomas type of player, realize that you're still not talking about the performance you got from your guys...Thomas' career high in BA in a season where he qualified for the batting title was .246.

You were lamenting that your guys couldn't hit .280 or .290 and hit 50 HRs any more. Just keeping that in perspective.

And I think you miss the point. WIS generate(d) way too many guys with 95+ power. While 100 is supposed to be the "Best of all time" in a category, to continually draft players who are capable of hitting 95% of 70 HR on a yearly basis is a problem.

It's unreasonable to penalize only those extremes because they generated those players, and created the system in which they hit those home runs, then allowed it go on for 3+ years.

A lot of players in the majors have power that could be equivalent with the greatest power of all time, or most power of all time. Seriously. Branyan and Dunn fall into that category.

Without good splits or a good eye, they shouldn't be able to do what they were doing. THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.

I didn't realize so many mentally challenged people played this game...

Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 12/04/2009Okay you guys, page 12. Isn't that enough beating up on swamp? He's lovin' it, BTW. That's why he prolongs an argument that is obviously going nowhere

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 12/05/2009

By your logic, swamp, your team would have 5 Gorman Thomas'. How many guys like him are there in the majors in any given year? Two? Maybe three?

Like this past season...Adam Dunn. Russell Branyan. Annnnd....I'm out. Seriously.

Nelson Cruz maybe? I don't know what his final numbers looked like.

And really, Adam Dunn and Branyan don't fit into your model, swamp. Those are guys that might only hit 240, but hit 40 HRs...but will draw a TON of walks. Dunn and Branyan both have ridiculously high career OBPs given how much they strike out.

The guys you listed will NEVER have a high OBP. So...please...name the guys in the majors last season with low batting averages, (below .250), 40 HRs or more (the Dunn threshold, I think that's reasonable), and an OBP of BELOW .300. Because that's what we're looking at here for your guys.

Also, when you're asking for a Gorman Thomas type of player, realize that you're still not talking about the performance you got from your guys...Thomas' career high in BA in a season where he qualified for the batting title was .246.

You were lamenting that your guys couldn't hit .280 or .290 and hit 50 HRs any more. Just keeping that in perspective.

And I think you miss the point. WIS generate(d) way too many guys with 95+ power. While 100 is supposed to be the "Best of all time" in a category, to continually draft players who are capable of hitting 95% of 70 HR on a yearly basis is a problem.

It's unreasonable to penalize only those extremes because they generated those players, and created the system in which they hit those home runs, then allowed it go on for 3+ years.

A lot of players in the majors have power that could be equivalent with the greatest power of all time, or most power of all time. Seriously. Branyan and Dunn fall into that category.

Without good splits or a good eye, they shouldn't be able to do what they were doing. THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.

I didn't realize so many mentally challenged people played this game...

And the mentally challenged one here continues to twist my argument so he can disagree with it.

Address the players I posted some time back, they have much better cursory numbers than whatever 1 dimensional crap swamp is trotting out there.

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009

And if you had a problem with the issue why didnt you start a thread.

I waited quite a while. If I hadnt posted and started this and kept it alive we wouldnt be talking about this now!

And I wouldn't be stuck in the awkward position of attempting to defend something where you may possibly be in agreement with me, although these other mental midgets (trop) keep making it seem like I want your 9, 99, 24, 24, 30 players to hit 60 billion HR.

<<<I was really active in the forums, and obviously in the community with making tools for distribution. I'd hover around the boards, and eventually I just got sick of having arguments with you because you continually ignore anything anyone else has to say critical, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

This has been a while ago, you had a well earned reputation. It wouldn't take long to find an example, but the time it would take is completely irrelevant since whatever was pointed out, you would fail to recognize in the slightest.

Constantly starting up "look at me" threads, and poisoning any old thread in GD with whatever nonsense argument that should have been contained to other threads made the whole GD forums a waste of time for a good while. Most everyone else would say something once and move on, but as evidenced by this thread, you can't ever move on without saying the same thing 400 effing times.

The GD forum had 4-8 posts at a time with this similar level of swampiness. It (you) sucks the enjoyment right out of everything. >>>

And again me holding a gun to your head to make you read and RESPOND to what I posted must have been horrible!

You just went into the pit, found a topic I had posted on, and posted behind me just to insult me, not commenting on the topic at all! How crazy is that!

What you actually mean is I wouldnt stop responding so you could get the last word in. Most of the 4-8 threads had nothing to do with actual gameplay and your attendance was voluntary. You didnt want me to not be there, you wanted to beat me. You wanted me to admit that you were better than me and go away with my tail between my legs.

Sorry!