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Now you're insulting me when I'm actually trying to engage you in this on a serious level?

You obviously haven't been reading what I've been writing either. You may get how the rule works - as may tons of other baseball fans, players, coaches, etc. - but there will be a good chunk that don't.

Even if things are spelled out, do you think that's going to stop people from trying to push it further?

"Well, you reversed the Galarraga call and our situation is the same! Or at least it's only a LITTLE different? How can you give him what's his, but not step up in OUR situation??"

A precedent is set and even if it's clearly spelled out, that's still gonna open the door for people to ***** and moan or cause further outcries when similar circumstances occur that cause the boundaries to be pushed even more.

It's called a "slippery slope". Go find out what it means.

Your situation was the same. So it got the same treatment.

No scandal there.

And everyone doesn't have to understand the workings of the rule, only the people who implement it.

And it's a pretty damn easy-to-understand rule.

Calls... which should have ended a game... but which were incorrect and, thus, did not end the game... only with clear evidence.

No slippery slope. At all.

Quote: Originally Posted By bosoxbill on 6/08/2010 I'm sure you (and the nine year old autistic kid who just got whacked in the head with a hammer who just told me he agrees with you) are right that there won't be any kind of overreaction by the commissioner's office.

Morons

I wanna hang out w/bill. Just look who he confers with!!!

I had to hit the kid with the hammer. He agreed with me until I did.

Quote: Originally posted by bosoxbill on 6/08/2010Your situation was the same. So it got the same treatment.

No scandal there.

And everyone doesn't have to understand the workings of the rule, only the people who implement it.

And it's a pretty damn easy-to-understand rule.

Calls... which should have ended a game... but which were incorrect and, thus, did not end the game... only with clear evidence.

No slippery slope. At all.

And who decides what "clear" evidence is? I'm sure there are some people out there who would say "the ball bobbled in Galarraga's glove and by the time he had full control of it, Donald was on the bag."

Hell, if Joyce had copped out with that, more people would be saying "yeah, maybe he has a point."

For the record, I'm playing devils advocate. I don't think Donald was safe, so don't put those words in my mouth.

Point is, the commish could say "we don't have clear evidence to overturn this", and 90% of the population could say "are you blind?? how much more clear can it get???".

And vice versa.

Who are they? Why should we trust them over the actual ump?

The "clear video evidence" standard has worked pretty well for the NFL (very well, by Mike's standard, as the NFL still exists)

This rule proposal by bosoxbill has the potential to suck very badly. Especially for pitchers, they could get ******.

Example standpoint from an MLB pitcher's point of view:

My team's down 4-3, bottom of the 9th, 2 out. Teammate hits a ground ball, is thrown out, umpire screws up and calls him safe. Two batters later, game is tied. We make out #3, go into extras. I come in in the 10th. The game goes 15 innings before we finally win it in the bottom of the 15th. I get the win.

...but WAIT!

That call in the 9th inning SHOULD have ended the game, so now it DOES. And we lose! So not only am I (and my team) deprived of a win, I threw 6 solid innings, tiring my arm out and probably making me unable to pitch the next three games... and the innings didn't even matter in the slightest?

Yeah, I'm ******.

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So, I see why the rule proposal has attractiveness, but the potential for THAT happening is also present. And I think that needs to be avoided.

I'm sure bill is arguing (as most have) that since the next hitter was retired, there are no "what if " situations or other things to be reversed.

But that's exactly what most people are saying, uncleal, and that bosox doesn't seem to get...because the losing team happened to tie the game after the bad call in the above example, that means the team that got robbed just has to live with it, whereas Galarraga and the Tigers wouldn't?

Again...slippery slope.

BUT IT WAS A DISASTER!!!!

RIVALED ONLY BY THE OIL SPILL IN THE GULF THIS SEASON!!!

Quote: Originally posted by uncleal on 6/08/2010That call in the 9th inning SHOULD have ended the game, so now it DOES. And we lose! So not only am I (and my team) deprived of a win, I threw 6 solid innings, tiring my arm out and probably making me unable to pitch the next three games... and the innings didn't even matter in the slightest?

Yeah, I'm ******.

So you're perfect through four, with 11 strikeouts, there's rain and the ump calls "no game"

You lose some serious individual stats, there, too. And you probably burned your rotation spot.

It happens.

Can we decide on whether or not individual achievement ARE or ARE NOT admissible as arguments in this discussion?

"Oh, boo hoo! My individual innings pitched!"

You guys really need to get on the same page, here.

And I've already said: I don't care about individual stats. I don't care if this sort of thing takes a historic fifth homer away from a guy.

Right is right. Individual stats aren't worth not being right. PAs get wiped out all the time, as do IPs, due to rain.

Quote: Originally posted by bosoxbill on 6/08/2010

Quote: Originally posted by uncleal on 6/08/2010That call in the 9th inning SHOULD have ended the game, so now it DOES. And we lose! So not only am I (and my team) deprived of a win, I threw 6 solid innings, tiring my arm out and probably making me unable to pitch the next three games... and the innings didn't even matter in the slightest?
Yeah, I'm ******.

So you're perfect through four, with 11 strikeouts, there's rain and the ump calls "no game"

You lose some serious individual stats, there, too. And you probably burned your rotation spot.

It happens.

You can get mad at God for raining out your game, but I'm sure it won't do much. You sure as hell can get ****** at some MLB officials who decide they want to overturn a call after the fact, though.