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...and Mike stops making even a token effort to offer up a good-faith argument. I'm amazed he lasted as long as he did, really.
6/27/2011 10:13 PM

US expands human trafficking blacklist

By MATTHEW LEE - Associated Press | AP – Mon, Jun 27, 2011

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration on Monday nearly doubled the number of countries that may face U.S. sanctions for not doing enough to combat human trafficking, calling on those and other nations to get serious and take tough steps to eradicate the lucrative illicit practice.

In its annual Trafficking in Persons report, the State Department identified 23 nations as failing to meet minimum international standards to curb the scourge, which claims mainly women and children as victims. That's up from 13 in 2010. Another 41 countries were placed on a "watch list" that could lead to sanctions unless their records improve.

The report analyzed conditions in 184 nations, including the United States, and ranked them in terms of their effectiveness in fighting what many have termed modern-day slavery. The State Department estimates that as many as 27 million men, women and children are living in such bondage around the worlds.

"All countries can and must do more," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in presenting the report. "More human beings are being exploited today than ever before."

"We're at critical moment in this fight," she said. "The problem of modern trafficking may be entrenched, and it may seem like there is no end in sight. But if we act on the laws that have been passed and the commitments that have been made, it is solvable. If we increase the pressure on traffickers and the networks they thrive in, we can set ourselves on a course to one day eradicate modern slavery."

Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., one of the authors of the law that established the report and offered protection to trafficking victims, said he was "deeply disappointed" that China was given a political waiver despite its ongoing and expanding problem of human trafficking, particularly sex-trafficking of women and girls.

"This political waiver for China is totally unacceptable," Smith said. "The Obama administration has again abandoned trafficking victims in China — who are predominantly women. It's shameful."

Among the countries on the blacklist are perennial rogues Cuba, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea and Sudan along with frequent U.S. foes Eritrea, Libya and Zimbabwe. Others are U.S. allies in the Middle East like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia while Papua New Guinea was cited as a repeat offender. Only one country, the Dominican Republic, was removed from the list.

The 11 new countries on the blacklist are Algeria, the Central African Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar, Micronesia, Turkmenistan, Venezuela and Yemen.

Separately, the report also cited six nations — Chad, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Myanmar, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen — for using child soldiers and not taking steps to end the practice.

6/27/2011 11:51 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/28/2011 6:53:00 AM (view original):
Posted by antonsirius on 6/27/2011 10:13:00 PM (view original):
...and Mike stops making even a token effort to offer up a good-faith argument. I'm amazed he lasted as long as he did, really.
I think a free-thinker such as yourself would understand the silliness of this argument:

 

"Why change a law?"
"Why not?"

And "Why not?' has pretty much been your side of the argument.   Should I just say "Because" and wait for another brilliant reply from the "Legalize prosttitution" group?

Jeez, would it kill you to agree with someone on this site?  It's not a sign of weakness, only that you have an open mind and are responsive to new ideas.

The arguments made for legalizing prostitution have been viable, far more than your arguments for keeping the status quo or your fairy tale view of what will happen if prostitution became legal.

What do you want to hear that will change your mind?  That legalizing prostitution will help reduce the national debt, cure baldness, solve the NFL labor impasse?



6/28/2011 11:14 AM
I'd agree if I thought agreeing was the right thing to do.

The arguments for legalizing prostitution haven't been viable.  They have been "Tax revenue", "People are going to do it anyway", "Stop wasting resources" and "It's no different than..."    None of these arguments are compelling reasons to legalize prostitution.    There is no greater good to be had. 

As I've said, I don't care one way or the other.   It will have no direct effect on me at all.   But there just isn't a good reason to legislate new law. 
6/28/2011 2:20 PM
This isnt making a new law, this is replacing the old law.
6/28/2011 3:20 PM
"This isnt making a new law, this is replacing the old law."

Wow - that is just bad.  The only way to replace an old law is by passing a new law.
6/28/2011 3:31 PM
I'll take the high road and you'll take the low road and I'll be in Scotland before ye!
6/28/2011 3:51 PM
Jeez, swampy.   Even if buy this batshit insane logic of "This isnt making a new law, this is replacing the old law" that could have only originated from someone with a 3rd grad education, we've already acknowledged the multitude of new laws that would have to be made and enforced to cover legalized prostitution.  We'll just start with mandatory testing of the 'hos.   I assume this will be a law since it will be illegal to utilize untested 'hos.   No?
6/28/2011 4:33 PM
Similar to having to take a urine test to work in certain government jobs.

You cannot win this argument in a trchnical way. The amount of work that is spent on enforcement of prostitution laws would dwarf some simple regulations.
6/29/2011 1:13 AM

Considering that I don't consider enforcing the law as "wasting resources", I don't have to win "this" argument.

Why are you for bigger government?

6/29/2011 6:25 AM
This would be a huge reduction in government.

The fact that we no longer need to have police catch and release hookers is a start.

The level of government in Nevada is minimal.

The idea that the status quo is such a powerful argument that all other considerations must reach above it to be considered seems illogical.
6/29/2011 10:33 AM
No it wouldn't. First, you have to pass new laws.  Second, you have to make new laws.  Third, you have to constantly enforce new laws(and possibliy modify them).

It's a huge increase in government proceedings.

All I'm asking is "What good comes from legalizing prostitution?"    So far, nothing.
6/29/2011 10:42 AM
Well, I have first and second backward but you get my point.
6/29/2011 10:43 AM
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