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MikeT23
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So the majority doesn't represent anything in your world?
2/21/2008 12:33 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/21/2008

on average, games in which a team struck out 14+ times last year scored 4.12 runs per game.
And what was the OBP of those teams in those games?





If I knew how to sort that on the website I would.

2/21/2008 12:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
So the majority doesn't represent anything in your world?
You're so funny mikey.

If a strikeout is detrimental to run scoring, it will be proportionally detrimental at any number. Not just when it happens over 50% of the time.

So a team that strikes out on average 4 times a game will score more runs than a team that strikes out on average 8 times a game.

2/21/2008 12:36 PM
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look mike, SD struck out 14 times and scored 10 runs.
2/21/2008 12:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

So the majority doesn't represent anything in your world?
You're so funny mikey.

If a strikeout is detrimental to run scoring, it will be proportionally detrimental at any number. Not just when it happens over 50% of the time.

So a team that strikes out on average 4 times a game will score more runs than a team that strikes out on average 8 times a game.



So an out is not an out? If a team striking out more="less" runs, you just admitted that a strikeout is worse than making contact as far as run production.
2/21/2008 12:38 PM
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I like taking statements out of context.
2/21/2008 12:39 PM
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look mike, Boston scored 8 runs and struck out...17 times!!! Ouch, they must have made REALLY productive outs.
2/21/2008 12:40 PM
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mike isn't getting it. Majority is irrelevant here. All that matters is X number of Ks = Y number of runs/game. For mike to win, he needs the number of Ks to increase as the number of runs decreases. For example:
5 Ks = 8 rpg (runs per game)
6 Ks = 7.5 rpg
7 Ks = 7 rpg
etc.
I don't think it's going to work out that way, so he needs to argue to the extreme where it has a chance of working in his favor by throwing out a meaningless statistical measure for this study. Majority doesn't represent anything in this case. All that matters is the relationship between Ks and runs scored and how it changes as the number of Ks increases.
2/21/2008 12:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008
look mike, SD struck out 14 times and scored 10 runs.


Looks like you could be taking some easy money from me.

How much are you willing to wager?
2/21/2008 12:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008
look mike, Boston scored 8 runs and struck out...17 times!!! Ouch, they must have made REALLY productive outs.


More easy money for you.

How much are you willing to wager?
2/21/2008 12:41 PM
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Not until you clear up your original argument. When this all started, we said an out is an out. You said, no outs in play are always better.
I want you to clear up what you mean by better.
Are you arguing that teams will score more runs if they strikeout less?
2/21/2008 12:45 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 2/21/2008
mike isn't getting it. Majority is irrelevant here. All that matters is X number of Ks = Y number of runs/game. For mike to win, he needs the number of Ks to increase as the number of runs decreases. For example:
5 Ks = 8 rpg (runs per game)
6 Ks = 7.5 rpg
7 Ks = 7 rpg
etc.
I don't think it's going to work out that way, so he needs to argue to the extreme where it has a chance of working in his favor by throwing out a meaningless statistical measure for this study. Majority doesn't represent anything in this case. All that matters is the relationship between Ks and runs scored and how it changes as the number of Ks increases.


That's silly. Of course it's not going to be a sliding scale. The world doesn't work that way. Flip a coin 50 times. It's not coming up heads 25 times even though, statistically speaking, that's the probability.

But, if out are outs, an extreme number of the ones I think are worse shouldn't alter the runs scored.
2/21/2008 12:48 PM
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maybe looking at the median or mode would be beneficial?
2/21/2008 12:49 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008But, if out are outs, an extreme number of the ones I think are worse shouldn't alter the runs scored
For the logic to be relevant, it can't only be applicable at the extremes.

2/21/2008 12:51 PM
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If 50% or more of the outs are strikeouts, a team will score less than the league average.
Guaranteed. Willing to bet on it. Any takers?
2/21/2008 12:53 PM
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