screwing power teams! Topic

No response to my post earlier on the previous page at 3:06pm?^^^^
12/5/2009 10:46 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By firemanrob on 12/05/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009

<<<You were lamenting that your guys couldn't hit .280 or .290 and hit 50 HRs any more. Just keeping that in perspective.>>>

When did I ever say this? I just want my guys productive. Batting .240 with solid power is what I expect of these guys.
So I just did a little looking on MLB.com. 2 guys hit 30+ HRs with an average near that arbitrary .240BA that you claim they should have (which they shouldn't). Do you know who? I'll make it easy on ya. Dan Uggla and Curtis Granderson.

Granderson had his worst season since his rookie season hitting only .249. He did however have an OBP of .327.

Uggla had his worst season ever in his short 4-yr career by hitting .243 with an OBP of .354.

So no, I do not think you players should be productive in the majors. If I had to say what I think is fair, I would guess an average around .150-.200 and maybe 15-20 HRs (max). (assuming an everyday starter status). OBP somewhere near .250-.275. Thats about the best you should expect from them.

Just because no one in the majors does it does not mean that players in a fantasy league cannot do it. This is just an average player with lower OBP and more power. Nothing too odd.

And I ask you the same question in regard to what I should expect from my people. WIS has always had power guys acheive a certain level. Always for all the years. No indication before very recent that there was a problem. Even now there wasnt any alarm bells, just that top end homer levels were a problem.

How can there suddenly be that everything that has always been was wrong and has to be changed?

Your analysis of what my team should do was not accurate until now. And even now I am not sure some of my guys will do that bad. There was a big drop but it may be temporary. How can you be so sure about what you are saying?
12/5/2009 11:49 PM
Okay you guys, page 13. Isn't that enough beating up on swamp? He's lovin' it, BTW. His argument is ever more ludicrous, you beat him up worse and worse, he loves it more and more. Please stop. It isn't funny any more, it's sad.
12/6/2009 1:36 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 12/06/2009Okay you guys, page 13. Isn't that enough beating up on swamp? He's lovin' it, BTW. His argument is ever more ludicrous, you beat him up worse and worse, he loves it more and more. Please stop. It isn't funny any more, it's sad
Have you ever considered making a relevant comment?
12/6/2009 1:40 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009

<<<I was really active in the forums, and obviously in the community with making tools for distribution. I'd hover around the boards, and eventually I just got sick of having arguments with you because you continually ignore anything anyone else has to say critical, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

This has been a while ago, you had a well earned reputation. It wouldn't take long to find an example, but the time it would take is completely irrelevant since whatever was pointed out, you would fail to recognize in the slightest.

Constantly starting up "look at me" threads, and poisoning any old thread in GD with whatever nonsense argument that should have been contained to other threads made the whole GD forums a waste of time for a good while. Most everyone else would say something once and move on, but as evidenced by this thread, you can't ever move on without saying the same thing 400 effing times.

The GD forum had 4-8 posts at a time with this similar level of swampiness. It (you) sucks the enjoyment right out of everything. >>>

And again me holding a gun to your head to make you read and RESPOND to what I posted must have been horrible!

You just went into the pit, found a topic I had posted on, and posted behind me just to insult me, not commenting on the topic at all! How crazy is that!

What you actually mean is I wouldnt stop responding so you could get the last word in. Most of the 4-8 threads had nothing to do with actual gameplay and your attendance was voluntary. You didnt want me to not be there, you wanted to beat me. You wanted me to admit that you were better than me and go away with my tail between my legs.

Sorry!

You are horribly prolific as a poster, and it's a major problem.

Futbol being ported to the US is somehow a vast conspiracy by the wing? That's not abuse worthy?

I've campaigned several times for an ignore button, that would make me happiest. Every forum seems to have that one village idiot that HAS to comment on everything, and does so just to irritate everyone else. You're that guy.

I'd be more than happy if there was a politics board here somewhere, so everytime you come in blathering your political nonsense, it could at least get redlined to the correct board, which I would never bother going to.

It personally would make me much happier if you would just go away. I don't need to prove I'm better than anyone, and you're far too busy proving you are worse than everyone, trying to get the last word in, and your opinion has the consistency and coherency of the guy screaming on the street corner about how Abe Lincoln is coming back on a specific date to destroy the world.

Medication and a logic class could allow the possibility that you actually could be a part of society as opposed to some loon accusing the electric company of sending glue through the wires to mess up your computer... That's when the govm't wasn't messing with the ability of your truck to run.

You won't see me back in this thread.
12/6/2009 5:08 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009

And if you had a problem with the issue why didnt you start a thread.

I waited quite a while. If I hadnt posted and started this and kept it alive we wouldnt be talking about this now!

And I wouldn't be stuck in the awkward position of attempting to defend something where you may possibly be in agreement with me, although these other mental midgets (trop) keep making it seem like I want your 9, 99, 24, 24, 30 players to hit 60 billion HR.
Thats right.

Sometimes the choice you have in life is to stand up and say whats right while everyone else is screaming garbage.

The other option is to keep quiet and only let the screaming garbage be heard.

Or the alternate, to assume that if Swamp agrees with me on something, then I'm probably wrong.
12/6/2009 5:09 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/06/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 12/06/2009
Okay you guys, page 13. Isn't that enough beating up on swamp? He's lovin' it, BTW. His argument is ever more ludicrous, you beat him up worse and worse, he loves it more and more. Please stop. It isn't funny any more, it's sad.
Have you ever considered making a relevant comment


He's made more of them than you
12/6/2009 11:19 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/06/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009

And if you had a problem with the issue why didnt you start a thread.

I waited quite a while. If I hadnt posted and started this and kept it alive we wouldnt be talking about this now!

And I wouldn't be stuck in the awkward position of attempting to defend something where you may possibly be in agreement with me, although these other mental midgets (trop) keep making it seem like I want your 9, 99, 24, 24, 30 players to hit 60 billion HR.
Thats right.

Sometimes the choice you have in life is to stand up and say whats right while everyone else is screaming garbage.

The other option is to keep quiet and only let the screaming garbage be heard.

Or the alternate, to assume that if Swamp agrees with me on something, then I'm probably wrong.
+1
12/6/2009 11:20 AM
Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 12/06/2009Just because no one in the majors does it does not mean that players in a fantasy league cannot do it. This is just an average player with lower OBP and more power. Nothing too odd. And I ask you the same question in regard to what I should expect from my people. WIS has always had power guys acheive a certain level. Always for all the years. No indication before very recent that there was a problem. Even now there wasnt any alarm bells, just that top end homer levels were a problem. How can there suddenly be that everything that has always been was wrong and has to be changed?Your analysis of what my team should do was not accurate until now. And even now I am not sure some of my guys will do that bad. There was a big drop but it may be temporary. How can you be so sure about what you are saying?

You're right about one thing, just because it doesn't happen in real life doesn't mean it has to happen here. However, how many arguments have you taken the position that it should be a certain way on this website because its what happens in real life (see homefield advantage).

My reasoning was focusing more on "what is realistic." Just because no one hits 70 HRs a season, doesn't mean it its unrealistic because it had been done before and could be done again. What I don't think is realistic is a ML team calling up a guy because he has massive strength but poor batting eye and poor splits vL/vR. And even if this were to happen, I don't think it would be realistic to assume that he would put up numbers equivalent to other ML players. I already gave my estimates of what I thought the numbers would look like. Yes he might hit 20HRs, but he is going to have a sub-.200 BA and sub-.275 OBP, with 200+ Ks.
12/6/2009 11:25 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 12/06/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/05/2009

<<<I was really active in the forums, and obviously in the community with making tools for distribution. I'd hover around the boards, and eventually I just got sick of having arguments with you because you continually ignore anything anyone else has to say critical, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

This has been a while ago, you had a well earned reputation. It wouldn't take long to find an example, but the time it would take is completely irrelevant since whatever was pointed out, you would fail to recognize in the slightest.

Constantly starting up "look at me" threads, and poisoning any old thread in GD with whatever nonsense argument that should have been contained to other threads made the whole GD forums a waste of time for a good while. Most everyone else would say something once and move on, but as evidenced by this thread, you can't ever move on without saying the same thing 400 effing times.

The GD forum had 4-8 posts at a time with this similar level of swampiness. It (you) sucks the enjoyment right out of everything. >>>

And again me holding a gun to your head to make you read and RESPOND to what I posted must have been horrible!

You just went into the pit, found a topic I had posted on, and posted behind me just to insult me, not commenting on the topic at all! How crazy is that!

What you actually mean is I wouldnt stop responding so you could get the last word in. Most of the 4-8 threads had nothing to do with actual gameplay and your attendance was voluntary. You didnt want me to not be there, you wanted to beat me. You wanted me to admit that you were better than me and go away with my tail between my legs.

Sorry!

You are horribly prolific as a poster, and it's a major problem.

Futbol being ported to the US is somehow a vast conspiracy by the wing? That's not abuse worthy?

I've campaigned several times for an ignore button, that would make me happiest. Every forum seems to have that one village idiot that HAS to comment on everything, and does so just to irritate everyone else. You're that guy.

I'd be more than happy if there was a politics board here somewhere, so everytime you come in blathering your political nonsense, it could at least get redlined to the correct board, which I would never bother going to.

It personally would make me much happier if you would just go away. I don't need to prove I'm better than anyone, and you're far too busy proving you are worse than everyone, trying to get the last word in, and your opinion has the consistency and coherency of the guy screaming on the street corner about how Abe Lincoln is coming back on a specific date to destroy the world.

Medication and a logic class could allow the possibility that you actually could be a part of society as opposed to some loon accusing the electric company of sending glue through the wires to mess up your computer... That's when the govm't wasn't messing with the ability of your truck to run.

You won't see me back in this thread.

First to respond to a few points.

1 I made that futbol comment in the pit! Not somewhere that would make anyone bothered. It still seemed to infuriate you. I stand by my facts that there was a plan to make Soccer more popular and it was based on some principals. Was I proven wrong, no. Short disucssion about it, IN THE PIT!

2 Most of the posts you are bothered by is people like you telling me what an idiot I am and forcing me to respond. And when I refuse to let you define me as a crazy idiot it makes you furious!

3 I have to comment on everything? You are the one that followed me to several other forums just to make a comment about me, with no relevant comment on that topic. If you take away all my posts on political only topics I am fairly quiet. I try to be polite and respectful, unlike you that trys to be offensive about me.

4 My beliefs are 100% consistent. You want to make them crazy, but it is a joke. Your non-sensical rants about me are the stuff of a street corner psycho. They are based in the myth you want to invent about me, and in no way based on truth.

I hope you dont come back unless you have something to say about the topic. Topic hijackers like you have no place among civilized people. Go complain to your imaginary friend!

12/6/2009 1:50 PM
swampbutt
12/6/2009 1:51 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By firemanrob on 12/06/2009
Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 12/06/2009
Just because no one in the majors does it does not mean that players in a fantasy league cannot do it. This is just an average player with lower OBP and more power. Nothing too odd.

And I ask you the same question in regard to what I should expect from my people. WIS has always had power guys acheive a certain level. Always for all the years. No indication before very recent that there was a problem. Even now there wasnt any alarm bells, just that top end homer levels were a problem.

How can there suddenly be that everything that has always been was wrong and has to be changed?

Your analysis of what my team should do was not accurate until now. And even now I am not sure some of my guys will do that bad. There was a big drop but it may be temporary. How can you be so sure about what you are saying?

You're right about one thing, just because it doesn't happen in real life doesn't mean it has to happen here. However, how many arguments have you taken the position that it should be a certain way on this website because its what happens in real life (see homefield advantage).

My reasoning was focusing more on "what is realistic." Just because no one hits 70 HRs a season, doesn't mean it its unrealistic because it had been done before and could be done again. What I don't think is realistic is a ML team calling up a guy because he has massive strength but poor batting eye and poor splits vL/vR. And even if this were to happen, I don't think it would be realistic to assume that he would put up numbers equivalent to other ML players. I already gave my estimates of what I thought the numbers would look like. Yes he might hit 20HRs, but he is going to have a sub-.200 BA and sub-.275 OBP, with 200+ Ks.
So then we have to go with how does the engine work and what splits are acceptable.

I think it is very wrong for the game to perform in one way for so long and to have it changed suddenly without warning.

Again I am not sure that happened, some of my guys seemed to have dropped off a lot, others less so. The kind of guy I am taking about are 25-95-45-45-35 (con-pow-ls-rs-eye). That is just an idea for the numbers.

So to get a .275 average what do you think the splits, contact and eye should be?
12/6/2009 1:54 PM
25-95-45-45-35? You have those guys on your ML team?
12/6/2009 1:57 PM
Ha ha ha. I'm not even going to respond with a estimation of performance as that cannot be a serious question
12/6/2009 2:37 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 12/06/2009
25-95-45-45-35? You have those guys on your ML team?

got a 17-94-48-42-47 who over the last 5 years his about a .260 with 27 HR average

Got a 43-95-46-47-32 who ver the last 5 years has about .238 and 45 HRs over 5 years average
12/6/2009 3:04 PM
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