Eliminate Prospect Budget Topic

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Quote: Originally Posted By jc44 on 1/21/2010
I don`t think the new "fix" for IFA budgets is a good thing because i don`t think it fixes the real problem that caused people to over spend on it.

I hope that is clearer for you.
There, that didn't hurt, did it? Thank you.

Now, "the real problem." What do you think that is?
1/21/2010 5:29 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By andersaa on 1/21/2010



Can you really not understand what he is saying? He has a valid point.

People want to rebuild their teams and if the draft is unrealiable but the ifa market is booming more owners will use that money there.
But that's not a "valid point". The draft is VERY reliable. Check out past drafts for your league 5-7 years back. ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE of the first rounders that signed is in the majors right now. Compare that to the success rate of MLB, which is likely around 25-30% at the most.
1/21/2010 5:43 PM
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jc, if you draft well, you can pick up three or four major league prospects in a normal draft for somewhere between $5m and $10m (depending on how agressive or conservative you are). That's one front-line starter (position or SP pitcher), and a couple of other platoon or bench position players, or RP's and back of the rotation SP's.

With IFA, you might pay anywhere from $15m to $30m to get one stud and not have a whole lot of money over for anything else.

So where is the better bargain?
1/21/2010 5:44 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by jc44 on 1/21/2010
If you want to fix IFA then make it more realistic and don`t make it better than the draft.There isn`t nearly as many great players coming to MLB every season from IFA as WIS gives.
If there wasn`t so much talent in the pool people wouldn`t put so much money into it.




I am too lazy to do the math or research, but I am sure that there are as many International players IRL big leagues as there are in HBD.
1/21/2010 6:05 PM
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Todd- I am not comparing the HDB draft to the real-life draft when I say unreliable. I am talking about the issue jc brought up about the draft, not being able to see top players in order to draft who you want.

None of this matters in real life so stop comparing it.
1/21/2010 6:20 PM
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You're missing the point. It doesn't matter if you don't see all the top propsects in the draft. YOU ARE GUARANTEED a major-leaguer if you do a minimum of work on your draft. That is about as reliable as it can get.

If you miss two of the top three, SO WHAT? Everyone in the top ten will be an all-star. Everyone in the top thirty will be a major leaguer. Unless you completely mismanage your minor leagues/Rule 5, the draft is the most reliable source of ML-talent you can get.
1/21/2010 6:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By andersaa on 1/21/2010
Todd- I am not comparing the HDB draft to the real-life draft when I say unreliable. I am talking about the issue jc brought up about the draft, not being able to see top players in order to draft who you want.

None of this matters in real life so stop comparing it.

If you were guaranteed to see all the top players in the draft, where's the incentive to have a high scouting budget?
1/21/2010 6:34 PM
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I've already said that. 3 years ago. Show me the top 50 in every draft and my HS/College scouting combines to be 0.
1/21/2010 6:45 PM
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So what Todd, no one is saying anything about how often you get a BLout of the draft.

The most reliable way to get a prospect is IFA. Here is the s15 Gehrig All star outlook, since we are in the All star break right now.

National League

IFA's= 10

Drafted Top 10= 4

Drafted 11-32= 8

Comp picks= 3

2nd or 3rd round= 3

In the American League

IFA's 8

Top 10= 12

pick 11-32= 7

Comp picks= 1

Totals

IFA's= 18

Top 10= 17

rest of 1st round= 15

And the rest 7

1/21/2010 6:52 PM
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tec- what is the incentive now? If you spend $18 HS and $18 College and still cant see top players. Many owners already play the 0-0 scouting game.
1/21/2010 6:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By andersaa on 1/21/2010tec- what is the incentive now? If you spend $18 HS and $18 College and still cant see top players. Many owners already play the 0-0 scouting game.
Oh? Where? And how?
1/21/2010 6:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By andersaa on 1/21/2010tec- what is the incentive now? If you spend $18 HS and $18 College and still cant see top players. Many owners already play the 0-0 scouting game.


Many? Evidence, please.

I'm in three worlds. There's 1.
1/21/2010 7:12 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By patrickm885 on 1/11/2010Sure,

Over time we have noticed that a common strategy is to have an unrealistically small player payroll, take the surplus and transfer it all into the prospect budget. This provides for an unfair advantage over teams that are actually willing to compete.

In nearly every case we are seeing that these franchises tank for several seasons to accumulate minimal player payroll and then build their farm system through the IFA process. In turn, the franchises that are trying to compete season after season are out of the IFA process entirely.

We decided that one way to curb the tanking is to limit the amount of money that can be dumped into the prospect payroll budget. That amount is going to be $30M and max contracts will be handled the same exact way that was outlined in the last update thread.

We also talked about getting rid of the budget transfer page altogether, is that something that you would rather see?




A) Unrealistic small payroll is a stupid statement.

B) What exactly is he talking about in reference to max contracts again?
1/21/2010 7:13 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By andersaa on 1/21/2010tec- what is the incentive now? If you spend $18 HS and $18 College and still cant see top players. Many owners already play the 0-0 scouting game.
Seriously? I started the thread you referred to. Want to know how many major league quality prospects I saw, at least with enough confidence to think "yeah, he should make it"? One. Maybe two.

Want to know how many I've seen with 18/18? Probably 80-100.

So if you want to play the 0/0 game and go all out for IFA, be my guest. Let me know how that works out for you.
1/21/2010 7:17 PM
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