Talk Radio is not really pop media. Most of the people that listen to talk radio do it by choice. It isnt like TV where people watch it in the background of other activities. Talk radio people tell you that almost no one is calling in to complain. They are preaching to the choir.

And is it Scores? After Rush, Beck, Hannity and a few others who is there?

I know I will get trashed for this, but I feel the Universities are presenting a liberal view of the world. Everyone goes to college.

I think that SNL is pushing a liberal agenda. They did actually make fun of Obama last week, but they are still on the Right more than the . How many people watch SNL.

Bill Maher runs a political talk show on HBO. There is no more biased show on Television. Everyone should watch it, just to verify this. I dont ever remember Stewart calling Maher on anything. Calls Oreilly a lot.

If you are a liberal it is easy for you to not see anyone defending Conservative positions. Much harder the other way.

I used to eat lunch and argue current events with a group of friends. Did this for about ten years. We were balanced. Jeff was to the Right, I was Center Right, Sidney was center , and Al was . Near the end of our lunchs Al passed away. We could all feel that the conversations had changed. No one was presnting a side. It was subtle, but real.

That is what I think America is becoming.

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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 5/01/2010

Quote: Originally posted by soxfanjohn on 5/01/2010Swamp keep up the good work. I glad a strong conservative voice is in these forums

So are the liberals. swamp is the poorest spokesperson conservatives could have, short of a complete lunatic like Jerome Corsi.

soxfan, I cannot believe you would say this!!!
Swamp is the quintessential modern partisan person. Anything proposed by the is wrong, naive, bordering on evil and all things conservative are correct and good any questionable things are explained away with rationalizing, parroting rhetoric or an attack intended to deflect from the truth.
I thought you were open minded and a truth seeker but if this is your stand then I have misjudged you badly

A lot of the people Swamp argues against are ultra liberal-anti conservative. I do not agree with everything conservative, but a lot more than anything liberal. If Swamp wasn't on this board, it would be mostly liberals agreeing with each other. I still decide what I believe on a case by case basis. My opinion that Swamp is good for these boards stands. I see the ultra right the ultra , the centerists. I think you (tark) should be open minded about having Swamp here. I am sure there are things he has said, that have made you think or at least check some facts. There are liberal views here that have made me spend hours on the internet. Rationalizing, talking points, and attacks to deflect from the truth are not a conservative tactic, I see it on the liberal side as well, and I know you (tark) see it too. I am very open minded you know it to be true, and that is a enough reason to like having Swamp on this forum.

Just because I lean conservative, doesn't mean I take everything conservatives say as gospel. I make my own decision after investigation and thought. I say again thanks Swamp for your strong conservative views.

Quote: Originally posted by soxfanjohn on 5/03/2010If Swamp wasn't on this board, it would be mostly liberals agreeing with each other.

That's just completely untrue.

wrmiller is a liberal? tp? mykids? toddcommish? moy? Let's not even get into the question of weirdo independents like me.

swamp's incessant uberpartisan nonsense kills interesting political discussions, it doesn't promote them. If swamp were not here trying to force every thread into becoming a lib/con screaming match, I think you'd find a lot of sharp conservative minds floating around.

Nailed it.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/03/2010

Quote: Originally posted by soxfanjohn on 5/03/2010 If Swamp wasn't on this board, it would be mostly liberals agreeing with each other.

That's just completely untrue.

wrmiller is a liberal? tp? mykids? toddcommish? moy? Let's not even get into the question of weirdo independents like me.

swamp's incessant uberpartisan nonsense kills interesting political discussions, it doesn't promote them. If swamp were not here trying to force every thread into becoming a lib/con screaming match, I think you'd find a lot of sharp conservative minds floating around

Swamp brings the ultra conservative side to the forums and I still thank him for that. I know the others that are conservative some more so than others. I like to see all sides, that was the point of my post to Tark.

Anton does independent mean centerist to you? If not what does independent mean to you?

I guess. When I take those 'plot your politics on a graph' tests they usually puts me slightly of center on the x axis, but extremely anti-authoritarian on the y axis.

I thought you agreed those tests were horseshit?

And Swamp doesn't bring anything to the forum except noise. Although I still enjoy the exercise of trying to read through it.

I think I said they were crap before I actually took one, and then it pegged me pretty much where I see myself.

Of course you could argue I was just feeding it the answers I thought would get me the result I was looking for...

Quote: Originally posted by soxfanjohn on 5/03/2010Swamp brings the ultra conservative side to the forums and I still thank him for that. I know the others that are conservative some more so than others. I like to see all sides, that was the point of my post to Tark.

swamp's problem is his presentation, not his politics. If he was capable of having an honest political discussion, his ultra-conservative voice would be welcome. As is though, the forum would be much better off without him.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/03/2010

Quote: Originally posted by soxfanjohn on 5/03/2010 If Swamp wasn't on this board, it would be mostly liberals agreeing with each other.

That's just completely untrue.

wrmiller is a liberal? tp? mykids? toddcommish? moy? Let's not even get into the question of weirdo independents like me.

swamp's incessant uberpartisan nonsense kills interesting political discussions, it doesn't promote them. If swamp were not here trying to force every thread into becoming a lib/con screaming match, I think you'd find a lot of sharp conservative minds floating around

If I were not here the debate would not exist. There would be short conversations in very academic terms about specific issues.

Do you get American television where you are? This may come as a huge shock to you, but America is about Republicans vs Democrats. This may bother you but it is the truth. Any issue of the day is going to be addressed that way. HCR was what the dems could get, and what the Pubs couldnt stop. If the Dems had went one step further the Pubs would have stopped them.

Theory is nice, but not compared to reality.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/03/2010

Quote: Originally posted by soxfanjohn on 5/03/2010 Swamp brings the ultra conservative side to the forums and I still thank him for that. I know the others that are conservative some more so than others. I like to see all sides, that was the point of my post to Tark.

swamp's problem is his presentation, not his politics. If he was capable of having an honest political discussion, his ultra-conservative voice would be welcome. As is though, the forum would be much better off without him

I still maintain that you are the one who cannot have an honest discussion. Every time you address me it is a single message. You have created the popular image of me, as an ultra-partisan, Rush repeating, uneducated idiot. You mostly push that, and sometimes actually talk about an issue.

I dont care. I still stand loud and proud for what is right. And you my friend are not right.

Christ.

I think there's some debate dodging that goes on. If someone presents an opinion that isn't ultra-/right then it get's ignored with the notation of "I don't see anything there that I don't agree with," except it's the ultra-/right argument re-packaged and moved slightly towards center that the person disagreed with to begin with.