For me, considering LeBron from an assist standpoint can hang with a lot of top PGs but then does everything else like an elite PF, plus defense across five positions... the advantage of him at PG over other PGs is so much greater than Wilt over other Cs, that I would probably take LeBron's best five seasons first, and then his second best five seasons second.

to me there are very real pitfalls of not addressing center early. LeBron brings more actual value to the table, but Wilt is more useful. I always come back to this point of good vs. useful. LeBron is better, Wilt is more needed for his rebounding, defense, minutes, and occupancy of the center position

For my money: guy who can play five positions is infinitely more useful than guy who can play one position. I also find there are way more useful bigs than there are useful guards.

you know what they say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZct2REokgM

Posted by robusk on 3/16/2021 1:18:00 PM (view original):
(above is ADP 24 or less)

How can 27 guys have an ADP of 24 or less? Am I missing something?

Posted by robusk on 3/16/2021 1:43:00 PM (view original):
For me, considering LeBron from an assist standpoint can hang with a lot of top PGs but then does everything else like an elite PF, plus defense across five positions... the advantage of him at PG over other PGs is so much greater than Wilt over other Cs, that I would probably take LeBron's best five seasons first, and then his second best five seasons second.

Agree with this. Toughest part is picking best five seasons.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 3/16/2021 2:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 3/16/2021 1:18:00 PM (view original):
(above is ADP 24 or less)

How can 27 guys have an ADP of 24 or less? Am I missing something?

3 dudes did not exist in the first draft.

Posted by bds9992 on 3/16/2021 1:47:00 PM (view original):
to me there are very real pitfalls of not addressing center early. LeBron brings more actual value to the table, but Wilt is more useful. I always come back to this point of good vs. useful. LeBron is better, Wilt is more needed for his rebounding, defense, minutes, and occupancy of the center position

1. What are the pitfalls of not addressing center early?
2. How can Wilt possibly be "more needed" for his defense then Lebron, when he has worse D and can guard many fewer positions? Leaving aside that good perimeter D is tougher to find than good post D.

Posted by robusk on 3/16/2021 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 3/16/2021 2:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 3/16/2021 1:18:00 PM (view original):
(above is ADP 24 or less)

How can 27 guys have an ADP of 24 or less? Am I missing something?

3 dudes did not exist in the first draft.

Duh. Thanks.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 3/16/2021 2:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bds9992 on 3/16/2021 1:47:00 PM (view original):
to me there are very real pitfalls of not addressing center early. LeBron brings more actual value to the table, but Wilt is more useful. I always come back to this point of good vs. useful. LeBron is better, Wilt is more needed for his rebounding, defense, minutes, and occupancy of the center position

1. What are the pitfalls of not addressing center early?
2. How can Wilt possibly be "more needed" for his defense then Lebron, when he has worse D and can guard many fewer positions? Leaving aside that good perimeter D is tougher to find than good post D.

Re: #2:

Posted by tarheel1991 on 3/16/2021 2:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bds9992 on 3/16/2021 1:47:00 PM (view original):
to me there are very real pitfalls of not addressing center early. LeBron brings more actual value to the table, but Wilt is more useful. I always come back to this point of good vs. useful. LeBron is better, Wilt is more needed for his rebounding, defense, minutes, and occupancy of the center position

1. What are the pitfalls of not addressing center early?
2. How can Wilt possibly be "more needed" for his defense then Lebron, when he has worse D and can guard many fewer positions? Leaving aside that good perimeter D is tougher to find than good post D.

A1: the pitfalls of not addressing center early include:
a. severe lack of passing, unacceptable at any other position
b. severe lack of eFG%, unacceptable at any other position even in the early rounds (e.g. Ben Wallace)
c. very high fouls (e.g. Tree)
d. especially in this league, low minutes
e. rebounding
f. inadequate defense (by my definition, below 75) at the most common position taken in the 1st round

(As an example, I would offer that the three champs, kinoa, pex and dB (Shaq, KG and DRob) all picked a center eligible player in the first round. yes, I'm aware 02-03 KG would play SF, but I don't believe any of the other used seasons were SF eligible)

A2: I'm not suggesting that Wilt is a better or more versatile defender. I'm suggesting that Wilt is a sufficient defender at a position in which finding such a defender without the aforementioned pitfalls is difficult. It is easier to find a perimeter defender with low usage and fewer of the aforementioned pitfalls than it is to find a center of similar quality. I'd even argue that center should be the crux of any draft strategy in any league, but that's a whole different discussion and I have to imagine you all have had enough of my ghost pepper-level hot takes for one week.

I like Hawkins. I am hoping to start a guy who has never been drafted in Savage before on my best team.

Go get the player you want now. No time to waste.

Wait, Connie didn't get drafted the last two seasons?

Oh well. I have plenty of threes already. Anyone can get drafted at any time for any reason in this league. Throw ADP out the window.

ive been in A LOT of draft leagues and have had plenty of times where i was crushed at a player going right before my pick...but nothing will come close to how absolutely devastated i will be if amerk or midge drafts my guy here

i had a hard time passing him up at the 4/5 turn with the expectation that i had no shot of getting him at the 6/7 turn...then he made it through the 5th...then past the top half of the 6th where i thought he would definitely go....then i was sure albi or jp would take him...sooooo close now

my optimistic side has already got the ron paul its happening gif ready to go...now my pessimistic side needs to find the appropriate gif that will capture just how crushed ill be

dont do it amerk and midge....

tfw when you get really excited about having 71-72 Connie Hawkins for 12 minutes