RELIGION DISCUSSION Topic

Posted by Mwett on 7/17/2022 2:38:00 PM (view original):
Bob, if I give an answer that undoubtedly won't be sufficient for you, or I say I don't know (I'll repeat that since when did my luv for Christ require that I or any other Christian be the answer man to all things doctrinal), would your response be anything other than see the whole thing must then be fallible ?
No, absolutely NOT!
7/17/2022 7:15 PM
Posted by Mwett on 7/17/2022 5:56:00 PM (view original):
Quote post by bruceleefan on 7/17/2022 5:43:00 PM: What's the difference between a Christian who says "Believe as I do or you're going to hell" and a Muslim who says " Believe as I do or you deserve to die"?

See, a real Christian wouldn't even ask this. Now that we've exposed even further what you're not, what's left ?

What's left is you're one of 'them', but worse. Fake. Fraud. Phony. Very very very thin ice right about now.
Daggone Snarky Christian.

That is SO out of line.

You've now declared another poster on an internet sight NOT a "Real" Christian because He doesn't share your exact view of a walk with Jesus.

That is completely at odds with your OWN code. Again!

You're NOT a good Christian in my view.
You're a fanatic Evangelical doofuss who can't even see themselves in the mirror of "self professed look at me I'm a holy Christian" egotist freak!!!

There was a guy like that in my Church years ago. He's dead now so I guess it's OK outing him.

His name was Elton and He was (what I call) a LOUD prayer.......every service He'd grandstandedly deliver some new message from God.

Trouble was He was a con man. Sold petroleum products to "Christian" farmers. Snake oil indeed it was!
Plus he was a closet homosexual.
But REAL loud self professing "Christian"...........

Like you are here on an internet baseball site forum.

Using it to try and proselytize.
Just like the Mormons who come to my door.

Guess which part of my body they get presented with?
7/17/2022 7:29 PM
Posted by laramiebob on 7/17/2022 7:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Mwett on 7/17/2022 5:56:00 PM (view original):
Quote post by bruceleefan on 7/17/2022 5:43:00 PM: What's the difference between a Christian who says "Believe as I do or you're going to hell" and a Muslim who says " Believe as I do or you deserve to die"?

See, a real Christian wouldn't even ask this. Now that we've exposed even further what you're not, what's left ?

What's left is you're one of 'them', but worse. Fake. Fraud. Phony. Very very very thin ice right about now.
Daggone Snarky Christian.

That is SO out of line.

You've now declared another poster on an internet sight NOT a "Real" Christian because He doesn't share your exact view of a walk with Jesus.

That is completely at odds with your OWN code. Again!

You're NOT a good Christian in my view.
You're a fanatic Evangelical doofuss who can't even see themselves in the mirror of "self professed look at me I'm a holy Christian" egotist freak!!!

There was a guy like that in my Church years ago. He's dead now so I guess it's OK outing him.

His name was Elton and He was (what I call) a LOUD prayer.......every service He'd grandstandedly deliver some new message from God.

Trouble was He was a con man. Sold petroleum products to "Christian" farmers. Snake oil indeed it was!
Plus he was a closet homosexual.
But REAL loud self professing "Christian"...........

Like you are here on an internet baseball site forum.

Using it to try and proselytize.
Just like the Mormons who come to my door.

Guess which part of my body they get presented with?
I STILL can't understand it. I've tried so hard to be patient and ask specific questions to better understand where he's coming from, but he's refused to answer a single one of them.

Though I certainly pointed out the smug attitude I never once grew so arrogant to proclaim that somehow he isn't a "real" Christian. In my understanding that is not my call to make.

Also notice he never really provided you with an answer. He said "if my answer isn't to your liking would you then declare the entirety must not be believed"? To which you answered absolutely not. Then he goes "good answer let's keep the ball rolling". LOL

It's silly.

If I were lost, there's nothing he's presented that would EVER make me consider stepping foot in a church.
7/17/2022 8:03 PM (edited)
I just got back from Sunday evening service. We've been on the Rapture. The last 2 weeks we have been looking at the Bema seat. 1 COR 3: 11-15. If you read through to verse 22, you might just fall over.

But that's not what caught my eye. Our pastor had us turn to Romans14. He cited verse 13. I would like you to look at these verses for a moment.

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

Also see 2 Peter 4-9

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Of course these verses refer to our brothers in Christ. I am my brothers keeper and I know who my brother is. And so finally....

Gal 5: 19-26

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


And so, to my brothers in Christ (HE knows who you are) goodnight.
Grace and peace be with your spirit in our Lord Jesus.

7/17/2022 8:52 PM
Posted by bruceleefan on 7/17/2022 9:31:00 AM (view original):
Posted by lostnfound74 on 7/17/2022 8:29:00 AM (view original):
You type better than me, then
I DO paste scripture, but from Bible websites.
Bible Gateway I think I use most often.
That's what I was wanting to know. I cannot paste from On Line Bible.. arghh

I read your answer to the Q I asked you.. Bruce.. what I have a problem with is how you seem to attack Mwett.. and if Christ be in you, you would get off that path.. We are told to do two things first, and that is to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Then we have two commandments:

Love the Lord with all our heart, soul, and mind. The next one is to love our neighbor as our self.

When I see the bickering, I do not see that being fulfilled.. and b t way, I am definitely NOT the best example of that either.. but I think we need to reflect on that.

"Lord, search our hearts, and show us what in us, is displeasing to you" He will answer that one.. perhaps in ways we don't expect

Cheers

and b t way, it is a miracle you came out of the Cath Church and got saved.
7/18/2022 1:22 AM
Question: I open the non sports and this thread is not shown. I have to re open it. Are you finding that too? S0mething strange cuz this is a busy thread
7/18/2022 1:27 AM

I read your answer to the Q I asked you.. Bruce.. what I have a problem with is how you seem to attack Mwett.


but you don't have a problem with how he attacked me first? Interesting. I was patient before I returned his attitude back on him.
7/18/2022 1:51 AM
Posted by bruceleefan on 7/18/2022 1:51:00 AM (view original):

I read your answer to the Q I asked you.. Bruce.. what I have a problem with is how you seem to attack Mwett.


but you don't have a problem with how he attacked me first? Interesting. I was patient before I returned his attitude back on him.
Well Bruce Lee.. it aint on the top of my list of things to do. So I missed something. just making an observation. You don't have to defend/explain yourself
7/18/2022 3:04 AM
"God said there'd be days like this."

I thought it was John Lennon who said that.
7/18/2022 9:02 AM
well, Bob...you know the Beatles were more popular than Jesus for a while there! :)
7/18/2022 1:40 PM
Some things just flat out make me feel intense cognitive dissonance.
Mainly thinking of Jesus as the kindest warmest being ever to live - like the manchurian candidate - as it is he who speaks for God and cancels anyone from heaven fire the sole reason that someone does not think he is son of god.

From my way of thinking that makes him a dangerous and heartless vain and vindictive creature.

And i read that the person said that jesus was either a lunatic or a liar or the son of God.
And that is normal intelligent critical reasoning ?

To my mind your faith comes to you with respect from others when you have some intellectual integrity

Like maybe Jesus was a man who died on a cross like tens of thousands of others but his despondent friends could not accept that he was another failed messiah do tbey started to believe that his death did have a purpose - that he died for sins and he was there for a purpose - just different then they had hoped for.

And even Paul discussed Jesus strictly in terms of a spiritual resurrection and not a bodily one.


To the truly intellectually brave and honest there are other possibilities. Even those found in the gospels themselves.

Such for example that has nothing to say about a parthinogenic birth.
Jesus was adopted by God during his baptism.
Totally different. And Mark was the first gospel where J declares that a prophet is not respected in his home town and his own family thought he was out of his league when he began to preach.

To have a religion you should really think religion.

One of the good guys to read is Espicopaluan priest
Father Shelby Sponge.

7/18/2022 2:48 PM
Posted by Mwett on 7/18/2022 3:58:00 PM (view original):
Quote post by Jetson21 on 7/18/2022 2:48:00 PM:

And i read that the person said that jesus was either a lunatic or a liar or the son of God.
And that is normal intelligent critical reasoning ?


At the end of the day we will be called to make a decision on Christ, whether you believe it or not, whether you like it or not. I implied each individual decides. YOU decide for you and live with it.

If someone does not decide at any given time to choose Christ for eternal salvation, I don't condemn you for that choice at that time. Most of the time a choice, often a choice different than originally, is made later. But when you come in with the usual array of life according to dino hooey that it's fact for everyone, you get bs called on you

You know enough to quote Paul. Cherrypicking at best if not flat out false. He and many other first-hand witnesses know that Jesus walked again after being buried. Even many casual observers without a commitment to Christ knows this is all throughout the NT.

From my way of thinking that makes him a dangerous and heartless vain and vindictive creature.

This is puke worthy at its finest. Some won't believe this or like it being said. Too bad. The devil has his hooks so far sunk into you it's scary. Good luck with that.
puke right back at ya babe.
Really intellectually honest people do not call pure opinion or things that are a matter of faith fact and
I guess that I am too evolved to think that your Jesus is goodness.

I am sure that the real Rabbi Jesus was a good and compassionate man.
Your Jesus is a very low class murderer of souls and is the furthest extreme from Judaism as there could possibly be.
It that is the kind of christian that you command yourself to be then go for it.
But you are not convincing about 95% or the world that thinks it is batshit crazy.

I don’t fear God - I fear people like you. for good reason.
7/18/2022 5:12 PM (edited)
Oh and by the way you talk of me like I am some jesus assassin or agent of satan.
I am every jewish person or buddhist or hindu or atheist or agnostic or rank and file catholic or episcopalian or unaffiliated etc.
Whatever you say about me you are saying about 7 billion people.
Ok Bub?
7/18/2022 5:18 PM
The whole point is that God is supposed to be goodness and compassion and love and there is. o place for anything else.
7/18/2022 5:25 PM
Posted by Mwett on 7/18/2022 5:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Jetson21 on 7/18/2022 5:18:00 PM (view original):
Oh and by the way you talk of me like I am some jesus assassin or agent of satan.
I am every jewish person or buddhist or hindu or atheist or agnostic or rank and file catholic or episcopalian or unaffiliated etc.
Whatever you say about me you are saying about 7 billion people.
Ok Bub?
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Everyone has opportunity. You're wasting yours and will be held accountable in accordance with what you did know compared to the one who knew little. Good luck with that.
You believe in a god that teaches you to hate and I am a much much much better being then your jesus or your adolph.
7/18/2022 5:39 PM
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