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Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

The league average for whiffs was 6.76 per game.
Of the top 40 qualifiers for the ERA title(and the only pitchers below 4), 14 struck out less than the league average. Were they not "good" pitchers?
What the hell are you babbling about


You keep saying "If he struck out 14, he probably had a good game. If he struck out 4, he probably didn't" like it means something. The league average was only 6.76 and 14 of the top 40 ERA guys couldn't manage that many per game.
2/21/2008 1:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 2/21/2008

Damn, do you know how to read? Quit making things up and respond to what is actually said. Nowhere did I say the only way a pitcher could pitch good was to K 14. I lived in Chicago and saw Maddux for years.



We've been thru this before. You're too long-winded for the internet. Get to the point when you post.
2 lines and you still don't get it. I knew I was more intelligent than you, but I didn't know by how much. Thanks for clarifying.
2/21/2008 1:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 2/21/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

The league average for whiffs was 6.76 per game.
Of the top 40 qualifiers for the ERA title(and the only pitchers below 4), 14 struck out less than the league average. Were they not "good" pitchers?
What the hell are you babbling about?



You keep saying "If he struck out 14, he probably had a good game. If he struck out 4, he probably didn't" like it means something. The league average was only 6.76 and 14 of the top 40 ERA guys couldn't manage that many per game.
Stay with me mike: We're talking about 1 game.
2/21/2008 1:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008
You said it was guaranteed. "If 50% or more of the outs are strikeouts, a team will score less than the league average. Guranteed."

I showed you a team that did score more than league average. I win.

2/21/2008 1:17 PM
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Do you think Wang had a 14 strikeout game? Do you think he was ineffective when he struck out 4?
2/21/2008 1:17 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Do you think Wang had a 14 strikeout game? Do you think he was ineffective when he struck out 4?
**** dude, you're ignorant. And stubborn. That's a bad pairing. It is ok to admit you're wrong. Read and understand what has been posted, then get back to me.
2/21/2008 1:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008
You said it was guaranteed. "If 50% or more of the outs are strikeouts, a team will score less than the league average. Guranteed.
I showed you a team that did score more than league average. I win
2/21/2008 1:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Do you think Wang had a 14 strikeout game? Do you think he was ineffective when he struck out 4?
WAIT!

A pitcher can be good and not strike out many people!?

HOLD THE PRESSES! THIS IS NEWS!

Also, doesn't news like this kind of lead one to believe that maybe Ks are "just another out?"
2/21/2008 1:22 PM
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You said you were talking about one game. Wang pitched in over 30. Make up your mind what you're discussing and get back to me.
2/21/2008 1:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

JUST LIKE BEFORE, I WANT TO EXTRAPOLATE FROM ONE TINY RARE SCENARIO - THEN THE SAC OUT, NOW THE 14+ K GAME - TO ALL OF BASEBALL!
Why not just wager that there's a correlation between strikeouts and runs scored in a game?

Do you think it only kicks in at 14?

Your theory, as I understand it, is that putting the ball in play instead of striking out helps ALL THE TIME, not just at 14+ Ks.

Right? You quoted yourself enough that I think I got the idea that you ALWAYS prefer the batted ball in play for an out to the K.

What's this silliness about 14 Ks, now?

You flip/flopping? That's fine. Only a matter of time, then, before you agree completely with us.
2/21/2008 1:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
You said you were talking about one game. Wang pitched in over 30. Make up your mind what you're discussing and get back to me.
What? Dude, do you realize how bad you're looking in this thread? Worse than usual...and I didn't think that was possible. You can't even get your posse to defend you on this one.
2/21/2008 1:30 PM
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Where is Rob Tracy when we need him?
We need a fairly simple chart of ALL games by year broken out by # of Strikeouts vs. # of runs scored.
0 runs 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
0 Ks x x x x x x x x x x
1 K
2 Ks
etc.
2/21/2008 1:31 PM
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It's Tonto's day off.
2/21/2008 1:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 2/21/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

The league average for whiffs was 6.76 per game.
Of the top 40 qualifiers for the ERA title(and the only pitchers below 4), 14 struck out less than the league average. Were they not "good" pitchers?
What the hell are you babbling about?



You keep saying "If he struck out 14, he probably had a good game. If he struck out 4, he probably didn't" like it means something. The league average was only 6.76 and 14 of the top 40 ERA guys couldn't manage that many per game.
Stay with me mike: We're talking about 1 game


Wang pitched in 30 plus games. I'm willing to wager that he had ZERO 14 strikeout games and a bunch of 4 or less strikeout games. Was he incapable of having a dominant game?
2/21/2008 1:49 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

If 50% or more of the outs are strikeouts, a team will score less than the league average.
Guaranteed. Willing to bet on it. Any takers?
I already showed you examples of teams scoring well above league average and striking out 14 or more times.

Do I win the bet?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI200704240.shtml



2 of 74 isn't a majority. We can work it either way. Average runs or individually(majority wins). Whichever works for you.

How much?

You said it was guaranteed. "If 50% or more of the outs are strikeouts, a team will score less than the league average. Guranteed."

I showed you a team that did score more than league average. I win.
2/21/2008 1:51 PM
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