Fielding Coache’s Ages Topic

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I'm not doing the research because I dont believe there is a problem. If someone believes there is a problem, THEY can do the research. Let someone who thinks there is a problem prove WIS wrong. Their answer was good enough for me.

As for BC/PC/HC... I agree completely, and I did ask them that exact question in a followup. I look forward to their response, because I agree COMPLETELY that there is a serious glut of BCs/PCs/HCs. They should probably be thinned out by at least 50%.
9/16/2009 4:00 PM
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I did a quick review in one of my leagues and a guy with a 40 FI isn't losing points with his minor leaguers - he isn't gaining points either (which hurts the team). The couple teams with FI between 50 - 65 are seeing typical progress in the low minors and much slower progress than I would expect in the mid to upper minors. Small sample size and take it for what it's worth...
9/16/2009 4:09 PM
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So then its pretty much working just like the ticket said it would. Faith in WIS Customer Service has been restored!
9/16/2009 4:19 PM
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9/16/2009 12:58 PM smoelheim
EXCELLENT answer... I think this is just the way the game should work.

Out of curiosity.. why is there such an excess of "superstar" (for lack of a better term) BCs, HCs, and PCs? At the end of coach hiring every season, there are always a TON of each type of coach with ratings that routinely exceed 80. Shouldn't those coaches be as "thinned out" as the fielding instructors?

Thanks again for helping clarify!
9/16/2009 4:20 PM Customer Support
Steve,

That is one area in which we hope to improve upon in a future update.
9/16/2009 4:22 PM
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smoelheim you keep using the stat 80 like I ever used that rating. The rating I used was 65, which is a fairly modest rating for any primary ML coach rating. There is also a huge difference in saying "every owner should have an 80+ fielding coach" and "there is a chance that in an entire world there are less than 5 80+ fielding coaches."

Quality fielding coaches (or any coach) don't need to be ubiquitous, but they should exist and my concern is that since their is no way to develop fielding coaches in the minors that when most of the initial world's fielding coaches retire they will not be adequately replaced.

That being said CS said in a ticket they were going to try to address this next update.
9/17/2009 12:06 AM
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Of course the most truthful CS answer to coaches would be "run the numbers and it's pretty clear that coaches have about the same effect on every team which negates their value so it doesn't matter what their ratings are."
9/17/2009 12:11 AM
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9/17/2009 12:26 AM
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I just did GD Bryant world. This is all coaches at all levels.

There is 28 coaches in the world with a fielding rating of 73 or better, 25 of those coaches are 62 years or older.

There is 3 coaches in the world with a fielding rating between 58 and 72.

All other coaches have a fielding rating of 57 or less.
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Caray World.

24 coaches with a 72 rating or higher, 21 are 62 years or older only 1 coach under the age of 60 and he is 59 years old.

Only 2 coaches in the world with a fielding rating between the age of 56 and 71.
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F.Y.C World.

24 Coaches 73 rating or higher. 20 coaches 62 plus years of age, the other 4 are between the age of 60 and 61.

0 coaches with a rating between 66 and 72

4 coaches with a rating between 59 and 65

9/17/2009 12:56 AM
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So ... Bryant 31 coaches 58 or above, Caray 27 coaches 56 and above, FYC 28 coaches 59 and above. Far more than 3/4 of the teams can have an above-average to well-above-average coach, and the remaining few probably at least average (plague's figures didn't go down that far). As I suspected, that suggests that 50 is used as average for the world, with more above average coaches in the majors and presumably more below average coaches in the minors. There are pretty obviously enough above average coaches ~~ but are there too many?
9/17/2009 1:06 AM
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Honestly using a single coach as an example isn't very useful. The issue I posed was about the entire coaching pool and how the vast majority are 60+ years old and starting to retire.

I personally don't believe coaching abilities should be such a linear projection towards 100 as coaches age. More coaches should plateau and some should start out better, but the current formula for fielding coaches is going to create problems in a few seasons for many worlds.
9/17/2009 1:13 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by snake_p on 9/17/2009So ... Bryant 31 coaches 58 or above, Caray 27 coaches 56 and above, FYC 28 coaches 59 and above.  Far more than 3/4 of the teams can have an above-average to well-above-average coach, and the remaining few probably at least average (plague's figures didn't go down that far).  As I suspected, that suggests that 50 is used as average for the world, with more above average coaches in the majors and presumably more below average coaches in the minors.  There are pretty obviously enough above average coaches ~~ but are there too many?


You seem to be missing the point that this question is about what is going on this season, but what is the future coaching pool going look like?

I don't expect it to be perfect, but some resemblance to a bell curve in ages of fielding coaches would more accurate.

What has obviously happened is owners hire the best fielding coaches available and the best ones available are virtually always older. After a few seasons of not being hired a coach disappears and is replaced by a younger coach. A few get hired, but many just retire. So you get lots of old, a few in the middle, and a number of young coaches.

You can't blame owners because how do you expect an owner to hire younger, but not as qualified coaches just so the pool doesn't become skewed.
9/17/2009 1:27 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 9/16/2009
IOW... a FI with a fielding IQ in the high 60s isn't a disaster.

Noted!



I screwed my budget in HJ in S12. I got a nice 57 FI. No end of the world. My players' fielding improved.
9/17/2009 7:55 AM
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These threads are akin to "not enough SS with average fielding ratings" and probably should be dismissed without reply.
9/17/2009 7:58 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by snake_p on 9/17/2009So ... Bryant 31 coaches 58 or above, Caray 27 coaches 56 and above, FYC 28 coaches 59 and above.  Far more than 3/4 of the teams can have an above-average to well-above-average coach, and the remaining few probably at least average (plague's figures didn't go down that far).  As I suspected, that suggests that 50 is used as average for the world, with more above average coaches in the majors and presumably more below average coaches in the minors.  There are pretty obviously enough above average coaches ~~ but are there too many?

I think what they are trying to say is that in Bryant over the course of the next 4 seasons 24ish of those 31 coaches are going to be retiring, meaning that maybe there will only be 15 coaches with a 55 rating or higher. The pool will be emptying faster than it will be filling. Soon for example half the teams will be having fielding coaches that will see their players fielding ratings have a negative impact and not a positive impact.
9/17/2009 9:14 AM
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minor league fielding coaches would be a nice addition.
9/17/2009 9:27 AM
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