Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 11/04/2009

Julius Hodge

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 11/04/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 11/04/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 11/04/2009
I remember Seble mentioning in recruit creation there would be an emphasis on creating perimeter oriented big men, but from the looks of this update it doesn't seem so. Considering the "overall it probably won't look that much different," comment, and perimeter oriented big men would be a big difference.

I followed up with him about this (he got back to me very promptly):

"Yes, that [more skill variance at each position] will be a key part of the update. I probably should have mentioned it, but it was in the original discussion of the release so I assumed that was known. As for bunching toward the average, that was meant in an overall rating sense. There will still be plenty of different types of players, with different strengths and weaknesses."

That's what I wanted to hear ...

IMO, it is not the variance in the skills which limit the big guys as per players or the guards as inside players, it is the engine. if you don't think this is so, play a balanced sf set to zero at sg for about 4 games, then play them at pf for 4 games, again set to zero. the sf will take about 50-60% 3's from sg, and about 10% 3's from PF. at least that is my experience?

Quote: Originally Posted By wronoj on 11/05/2009
not really sure the relevance, but if you want to see a PF who can hit some 3s:

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=2434&pid=1299711

Quote: Originally Posted By shagnew13 on 11/05/2009

First, I know it was talked about awhile ago, but I have not heard anymore on the hiring, and firing of coaches ie: Assistants. But I just wanted to ask, was this still being kicked around, or is it dead in the water?

Kicked around, but on the back burner.

Also I was wondering in regards to recruiting, how that having assistant coaches recruit for you. They would take the scouting trips, and the FSS service and expand on the information. And you can make a judgement on a recruit based on their findings, and decide who you want them to pursure, or not pursue further.

I hope no one would want to have their ***'t coach recruit for them. I'm not sure exactly how they would use ***'t coaches to enhance recruiting; perhaps hiring ones that specialize in certain areas to get better info, etc. Rest assured this is a long way off.

Also in my coach's corner there has been some discussion with regards to recruiting, and the swooping in of other schools on recruits. I know there are others that are frustrated as well, but I thought that WIS had fixed this,

No, this wasn't something that needed to be "fixed". They did add a component of considering credit that starts some time on Day 2 if a recruit had been considering you and not the other team you're battling with.

and that a longer a recruit is considering you the harder it is to sway that recruits mind. I also wanted to know that is there a way WIS can make the Scholarship more prominent in recruiting, I mean in RL Kids sign letter of Intents to play for a school, I know that there is changing of minds, and swtiching schools, but couldnt they put more emphasis on the scholarship.

Be careful what you wish for in regards to this "in real life" stuff. Because in real life, a school like Buffalo wouldn't have a chance to outrecruit other Big East and A-10 schools in the region. One of those schools would simply show up at a kid's doorstep and, bye-bye Buffalo. In HD, a Buffalo can absolutely knock off bigger teams.

Like when that recruit is solely in your grasp the Scholarship becomes availabe and you can offer it, just like a letter of intent. That would make it harder for schools to come in and steal your recruit.

Bad idea for many reasons. Simply offering the scholarship does not equate with a letter of intent. But this would basically make recruiting a first-come, first-serve operation, which is ridiculous on many levels. We already have a several-year process compressed into a few days, I would bristle at anything that would basically compact it into a few cycles.

And please don't use the word steal. It's not accurate in the slightest.

Unless they are battling with you for him. Then it would come down to other factors, and not just how much money you spend on him in the last cycle before the signing period. ie: proximity, favorite school, etc.

I don't know just would like to get the vetern's opinion on this and see what WIS was doing about it, or if they are doing anything at all.

Thanks

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 11/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By shagnew13 on 11/05/2009

First, I know it was talked about awhile ago, but I have not heard anymore on the hiring, and firing of coaches ie: Assistants. But I just wanted to ask, was this still being kicked around, or is it dead in the water?

Kicked around, but on the back burner.

Also I was wondering in regards to recruiting, how that having assistant coaches recruit for you. They would take the scouting trips, and the FSS service and expand on the information. And you can make a judgement on a recruit based on their findings, and decide who you want them to pursure, or not pursue further.

I hope no one would want to have their ***'t coach recruit for them. I'm not sure exactly how they would use ***'t coaches to enhance recruiting; perhaps hiring ones that specialize in certain areas to get better info, etc. Rest assured this is a long way off.

Also in my coach's corner there has been some discussion with regards to recruiting, and the swooping in of other schools on recruits. I know there are others that are frustrated as well, but I thought that WIS had fixed this,

No, this wasn't something that needed to be "fixed". They did add a component of considering credit that starts some time on Day 2 if a recruit had been considering you and not the other team you're battling with.

and that a longer a recruit is considering you the harder it is to sway that recruits mind. I also wanted to know that is there a way WIS can make the Scholarship more prominent in recruiting, I mean in RL Kids sign letter of Intents to play for a school, I know that there is changing of minds, and swtiching schools, but couldnt they put more emphasis on the scholarship.

Be careful what you wish for in regards to this "in real life" stuff. Because in real life, a school like Buffalo wouldn't have a chance to outrecruit other Big East and A-10 schools in the region. One of those schools would simply show up at a kid's doorstep and, bye-bye Buffalo. In HD, a Buffalo can absolutely knock off bigger teams.

Like when that recruit is solely in your grasp the Scholarship becomes availabe and you can offer it, just like a letter of intent. That would make it harder for schools to come in and steal your recruit.

Bad idea for many reasons. Simply offering the scholarship does not equate with a letter of intent. But this would basically make recruiting a first-come, first-serve operation, which is ridiculous on many levels. We already have a several-year process compressed into a few days, I would bristle at anything that would basically compact it into a few cycles.

And please don't use the word steal. It's not accurate in the slightest.

Unless they are battling with you for him. Then it would come down to other factors, and not just how much money you spend on him in the last cycle before the signing period. ie: proximity, favorite school, etc.

I don't know just would like to get the vetern's opinion on this and see what WIS was doing about it, or if they are doing anything at all.

Thanks

The reality is that very often (but certainly not always), low/mid DI schools have recruits taken away from them when they either A). overshoot and go after players who are out of their league or B). Spread themselves too thin and make themselves an easy target for other schools.

I know of plenty low/mid coaches that rarely if ever have the problem you're describing, because they don't expose themselves to these situations. Consistently successful recruiting at low/mid DI takes a lot of savvy.

But this is not something that WIS is currently looking to "fix", nor do I think they need to be. Again, next time you're complaining about a higher prestige team "stealing" your recruit, think about both what factors existed that attracted that team to your recruit, and how it would go down "in real life" if that school became seriously interested in one of D-prestige Buffalo's recruits.

HD is much kinder to low/mids than real life is, and gives you a much better shot of signing the kid than you'd ever have in real life.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 11/05/2009To make the ability of offering a scholarship to a dependant on a money amount is not a good idea, especially since money is not the deciding factor for a recruit

Quote: Originally Posted By shagnew13 on 11/05/2009
Not even before the signing period, but just in general, I just thought that having a certain point where the Scholarship becomes available to you and your school based on the recruit himself, prestige, reputation etc. Because as it happens right now, I can spend 15k on a recruit and offer him a scholarship in the same cycle. I just think if this were to be implemented somehow, it would put more emphasis on you to recruit him, and would kind of make it harder for another school to come in and sway him there way. I'm not saying it is perfect, nor do I know the details of it all. I guess also if I had more information on a recruit, it would help me alot more, in knowing if I should spend more money on him, or go after someone else.

I know we get the scouting reports, and FSS but I guess I would just like alittle more information on recruits. I think if assistant coaches, or more information from scouting reports could be used, it would help out alot.

I know my D prestige school is not going to get those top recruits, but I would like more information on say, maybe a 620 rated PG with good cores is in my league or should I stay away. Sometimes I think I sell myself too short when I recruit, and think well maybe I could have went after him afterwards, and I think that is where more information could help out.

Quote: Originally Posted By shagnew13 on 11/05/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 11/05/2009
To make the ability of offering a scholarship to a dependant on a money amount is not a good idea, especially since money is not the deciding factor for a recruit.

I tend to disagree with this statement, I know it comes down to other factors, but if I spend 15k on a recruit and someone spends 25k on the same recruit they will more then likely win out.