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another thing has occured to me here... and forgive me caluk if i am making wrong assumptions...

sometimes its easy to think of "starters" and "backups" as two seperate groups. in fact, you will normally see subs a minute or two into the game and from there on out, it is nearly impossible to predict who will be on the floor together at any given time. i guess the exception to this might be if you have a strict 10 man rotation where all the starters have all the same stamina and the backups have all the same stamina, etc. .... not very likely.

so, while you may think of benjamin as a pass-first distributer whose main objective is to get the ball to his boy, johnny ingram you have to account for the fact that for 10 minutes or more each game, he will be on the court with Kuhn. and, to me, if those two dudes are on the floor, I want ji taking the vast majority of the shots.

my sample distro in the last post treats littleben as nearly an equally good scorer as ji. but if you wanted to use the above example, you could give ji 24, lilben 8, kuhn 4.

make sense?

11/15/2009 12:58 AM
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My distribution woudl be generally divided into "High targets", 'medium targets' and 'low targets'

High:
Priestwood
Leite
Ingram
Benjamin
Stabile

Medium:

Leite
Kuhn
Wilkey

Low:

Ingram
Kuhn
Keeling

I also like moving around players to positions their ratings are suited for wherever you can create a mismatch: For example, a truly fast and athletic player on someone who is slow.


11/15/2009 10:26 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 11/15/2009My distribution woudl be generally divided into "High targets", 'medium targets' and 'low targets'

High:
Priestwood
Leite
Ingram
Benjamin
Stabile

Medium:

Leite
Kuhn
Wilkey

Low:

Ingram
Kuhn
Keeling

I also like moving around players to positions their ratings are suited for wherever you can create a mismatch: For example, a truly fast and athletic player on someone who is slow.




I try to do this also, but it sure doesn't seem like I get the best of the mismatches most of the time. Usually my guy ends up having an average game at best, or at worst causing me to lose all by his lonesome. Maybe I'm just out-thinking myself......
11/15/2009 4:41 PM
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Well, it has to be the right sort of player; for example, in the past, I had a player who wasn't as fast or athletic as I liked at a low post position, who nonetheless had great skill numbers: Would always move him to be on the least athletic post player the other team had so he could leverage that rebounding, Low post, Blocking etcetera better. Worked best against man to man teams or press teams, and least against zone.
11/15/2009 4:49 PM
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WOW, thanks guys for all your input, iv learned alot just reading what you guys are saying, olddave, im going to try out your distribution suggestions... i def didnt pay attention to scheduling last year (oops), -- ya i donno y i give kuhn so much opportunity when he is not shooting that well, the coach before me had those 2 guys highlighted so i just stuck with it.

Thanks again for all the help, olddave your record is nothing short of amazing.

11/16/2009 2:12 AM
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also, the reason i play bilbo over keeling is because of there def, bilbo has been stopping teams all year-- i started starting him late last season and that was when i made a run, but i didnt feel either really played good enough to make a significant impact for this season.
11/16/2009 2:14 AM
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oh, btw, do you think giving benjemin more distro will hurt him with his assist/to ratio, because of him getting tired more quickly?
11/16/2009 2:18 AM
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Adding a little distro will not make an appreciable difference with fatigue. It could have a bit of an effect on his ast:to ratio, but that's as much of a quirk in the game as anything, I wouldn't worry about that (nor would I worry about a player's ast:to ratio in general).
11/16/2009 7:41 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By coachcaluk on 11/16/2009also, the reason i play bilbo over keeling is because of there def, bilbo has been stopping teams all year-- i started starting him late last season and that was when i made a run, but i didnt feel either really played good enough to make a significant impact for this season
i figured as much. but most coaches agree that DE does not work nearly as well as you would think. im not saying that it is worthless or anyhting like that. it is definitely nice to have good DE. but it just seems to me that keeling has too many other areas where he is a superior player.

specifically,

  • rebounding - this is is soooo important for a zone team. you seem to understnad that as you start a PF at SF.
  • athleticism - very important for SFs
  • passing - very important for a motion team
as for your perceptions as to bilbo's defensive contributions... im not following your logic.

  • first, you play zone. it would be really hard to figure out which players had contributed most to a zone team's success even if we had a perfect understanding of the HD engine.
  • second, i will again point ot that your opponents have been, for the most part, really bad teams. i dont think it really mattered much who played SF for you in those games.
  • third, bilbo comes off the bench. most folks agree that DE is not quite as important for bench players as they will frequently be matched up against the opponent's bench, who are less likely to be strong offensive players.
  • fourth, since he is only playing 13 min per game, off the bench, its difficult for me to make a connection between bilbo and your excellent defensive stats.
11/16/2009 7:47 AM
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i'll second dalters comments.

my thinking has allways been that players tire at a "normal" rate, until somehting kicks in that makes them tire more quickly (such as shooting alot due to high distro) a player with 14 distro is not going to tire more quickly than a player with 7 distro.

it will definitely affect his asst/to ratio. but, you gotta ask yourself if you are more concerned with individual stats or the overall efficiency of your team's offense. obviously its the team's offense. by increasing littleben's distro, your team shooting percentage will get better and prbably you will have fewer turnovers as a team since you will be a team that patiently looks for the open shot as opposed to forcing the ball to one or two players.
11/16/2009 8:02 AM
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i agree, im going to see what happens with keeling over bilbo for a few games.. i used keeling more last year as a started, as well as bilbo.. bilbo seemed more efficiant but your input makes good sense
11/16/2009 8:21 AM
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alright, so i just took down the other ranked conference foe. have a big game tonite though agianst a top 20 rpi team.

im not really sure why, but i adjusted things a certain way, and thigns are really clicking,, pretty much against everything you guys have said.
11/21/2009 3:27 PM
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