Discussion of the trade veto. Topic

MikeT23
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If you're unhappy with the trade veto/approval system in a world, leave it at season's end.
11/18/2009 1:03 PM
tecwrg
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Is it Kerry Adams?

I see a decent RP prospect with questionable health being traded for a just slightly below defensive average SS with a career .789 OPS.

Certainly not a trade rape, but definitely strongly tilted in favor of you. I can see why the other owners might think you're getting much more in return for what you're giving up.

Veto worthy? Sounds like enough people in your world think so.

Plus, your attitude about the veto in the WC isn't going to win you many supporters. You come off as a whiny dick.
11/18/2009 1:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By decks on 11/18/2009My player. A y pitching prospect with one year of rookie ball behind him. Ratings project to (starting with stamina)
Projected -24 93 77 72 87 87 92 78

do I feel I got a good deal, sure. Is it an unfair trade? Not in my opinion. If I was rebuilding and wanted a pitching prospect, I'd do it for sure. In fact, I have a comparable shortstop in another league I'm trying to move, and having difficulty. If I could get this deal for him, I'd jump on it
Dur? Health?
11/18/2009 1:07 PM
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If tec got the RP right, you'd have gotten a legit MLer for an injury prone RL RP, and your trading partner gets another 3-4 million in the IFA market.

If that's the defending champ making that deal, I'd veto it in a heartbeat.
11/18/2009 1:10 PM
decks
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Ya that's the player. What does the defending champ part have to do with it? It would be ok if I was a bottom dweller? Are you making the arguement that it's ok to veto for competitive reasons then?

As I said, I feel I got a good deal. But the other owner has 127 seasons and felt it the best he could do and that it served his goals.
No collusion, no rookie fleecing.
If the general consensus is that it's ok to veto in these circumstances, maybe it's time to cash in my reward points and move on...
11/18/2009 1:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By decks on 11/18/2009Ya that's the player. What does the defending champ part have to do with it? It would be ok if I was a bottom dweller? Are you making the arguement that it's ok to veto for competitive reasons then?

As I said, I feel I got a good deal. But the other owner has 127 seasons and felt it the best he could do and that it served his goals.
No collusion, no rookie fleecing.
If the general consensus is that it's ok to veto in these circumstances, maybe it's time to cash in my reward points and move on..


it's ok to veto whenever you feel like it. if a deal is questionable enough, it'll get enough votes to veto it.
11/18/2009 1:20 PM
iain
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Quote: Originally Posted By decks on 11/18/2009Ya that's the player. What does the defending champ part have to do with it? It would be ok if I was a bottom dweller? Are you making the arguement that it's ok to veto for competitive reasons then?

As I said, I feel I got a good deal. But the other owner has 127 seasons and felt it the best he could do and that it served his goals.
No collusion, no rookie fleecing.
If the general consensus is that it's ok to veto in these circumstances, maybe it's time to cash in my reward points and move on..
Yes, I am, and sometimes it's justified. But I'm just one person making a point in a vacuum. I'm sure you won't have to look very far to find someone to disagree with me on just about anything.

One veto does not block a trade.

If your world is of the opinion that you can veto for competitive reasons, and you can't live with that, then it's probably time for you to find another world. There are all kinds that refuse to veto anything.
11/18/2009 1:23 PM
MikeT23
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You aren't cashing in your reward points and moving on. I know it. You know it.

11/18/2009 1:24 PM
sergei91
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Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 11/18/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By decks on 11/18/2009
Ya that's the player. What does the defending champ part have to do with it? It would be ok if I was a bottom dweller? Are you making the arguement that it's ok to veto for competitive reasons then?

As I said, I feel I got a good deal. But the other owner has 127 seasons and felt it the best he could do and that it served his goals.
No collusion, no rookie fleecing.
If the general consensus is that it's ok to veto in these circumstances, maybe it's time to cash in my reward points and move on...

Yes, I am, and sometimes it's justified. But I'm just one person making a point in a vacuum. I'm sure you won't have to look very far to find someone to disagree with me on just about anything.

One veto does not block a trade.

If your world is of the opinion that you can veto for competitive reasons, and you can't live with that, then it's probably time for you to find another world. There are all kinds that refuse to veto anything.



agreed 100%
11/18/2009 1:25 PM
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We can cash in reward points? Are they like Green Stamps or Blue Chip stamps?

I need a new toaster.
11/18/2009 1:25 PM
tecwrg
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The trade was unbalanced enough that it could be borderline veto-worthy on it's own merits.

If I saw it throwing off the competative balance of the world, that might be an influencing factor towards a veto decision.

In this case, if I saw an unbalanced trade benefiting the defending champion, I would classify this as throwing off the competative balance of the world.
11/18/2009 1:28 PM
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and some fuzzy slippers
11/18/2009 1:29 PM
decks
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"If your world is of the opinion that you can veto for competitive reasons, and you can't live with that, then it's probably time for you to find another world.  There are all kinds that refuse to veto anything."

that goes back to my original point. I'd like a better way of identifying which of the varying opinions each world is operating on...
11/18/2009 1:31 PM
decks
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 11/18/2009You aren't cashing in your reward points and moving on. I know it.  You know it. 

mike, how you expect to know anything about me from a handful of forum posts is beyond me...
11/18/2009 1:34 PM
MikeT23
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If it makes you feel better, I never veto based on someone gaining a competitive edge. I don't veto any deals in MG or Coop(excluding those that violate my precious cash rules) as both worlds only have experienced owners.

But worlds set their own standards. One would assume that any contender who "wins" a deal would see a veto.
11/18/2009 1:34 PM
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