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MikeT23
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Wouldn't that be part of the reason the other owner told you which guy to pick? Because he damn sure isn't see your projected ratings on the guy.
12/14/2009 5:45 PM
MikeT23
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And it's a tiny step away from "Sign this guy for me so I don't lose my first rounder."

Which I will assume it not collusion in your book either.
12/14/2009 5:50 PM
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Collusion: secret agreement or cooperation

I suggest you, previous season WS winner, tell the world that you're doing this with the worst team from last year. Let me know what your world thinks of it.
12/14/2009 5:52 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 12/14/2009Wouldn't that be part of the reason the other owner told you which guy to pick?   Because he damn sure isn't see your projected ratings on the guy.

In my question, the receiving owner (the owner without the first Rule 5 pick) is determining the player he'd most like to have based on the ratings that he can see.

If the setup was such that the receiving owner merely said "select the guy that you see with the highest OVR projection" then I can see an argument for collusion, since the receiving owner would be getting the unfair benefit of the "sending" owner's advanced scouting.

I don't see the difference between working out a trade before the Rule 5 draft takes place, where the sending team agrees to select player X (as designated by the receiving team) with the intention of trading him to the receiving team in exchange for Player Y, and merely drafting Player X and then shopping him around afterwards.
12/14/2009 5:58 PM
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Seriously, do it and see the reaction in your world. I have no idea what types of worlds you play in but I don't think it floats in any of my worlds. You're manipulating a draft in advance.

12/14/2009 5:59 PM
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i'm with zbrent on this one. and just to mollify mike: of course that other scenario is collusion. this doesn't have the same implications.
12/14/2009 5:59 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 12/14/2009Seriously, do it and see the reaction in your world.  I have no idea what types of worlds you play in but I don't think it floats in any of my worlds.  You're manipulating a draft in advance.   

Do your Worlds allow owners to work out sign-and-trade agreements concerning their own departing FA during the exclusive negotiations period?
12/14/2009 6:02 PM
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And, as for your scenario, I see no problem with Owner A saying "I'm taking Player B with the first pick. My team sucks so I'll be willing to trade him for two prospects."

And the difference would be that he acted alone. In the other scenario, two owners are working together to determine the first pick in the draft. One owner, two owners. See the difference?
12/14/2009 6:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 12/14/2009
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 12/14/2009
Seriously, do it and see the reaction in your world. I have no idea what types of worlds you play in but I don't think it floats in any of my worlds. You're manipulating a draft in advance.



Do your Worlds allow owners to work out sign-and-trade agreements concerning their own departing FA during the exclusive negotiations period


Irrelevant.
12/14/2009 6:06 PM
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FWIW, I've noticed that you fall on the "I don't see a problem with it" side of every "Is this collusion?" thread.

Do you consider anything, other than an owner trading with his alias, as collusive?
12/14/2009 6:07 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 12/14/2009And, as for your scenario, I see no problem with Owner A saying "I'm taking Player B with the first pick.  My team sucks so I'll be willing to trade him for two prospects."And the difference would be that he acted alone.   In the other scenario, two owners are working together to determine the first pick in the draft.  One owner, two owners.  See the difference?

They are not "working together to determine the first pick in the draft." The receiving team is dictating the first pick based on his own scouting and determining what prospect(s) he is willing to give up for that player.

With respect to the thing you have "no problem" with, would you somehow have a problem if the team with the first pick said - "hey, I see some talent available in the Rule 5 draft, but I'm much more than one player away from winning this year. Does any competitor see someone they think can make a difference for them this year that they'd be willing to deal a prospect for?"
12/14/2009 6:08 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 12/14/2009FWIW, I've noticed that you fall on the "I don't see a problem with it" side of every "Is this collusion?" thread.Do you consider anything, other than an owner trading with his alias, as collusive?

Sure, as I just referenced, if Owner A gets the benefit of Owner B's superior advanced scouting, I would see that as collusion.

As far as your irrelevant comment, if you fail to see any parallel at all, it's just willful ignorance on your part.
12/14/2009 6:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 12/14/2009Do some of you believe that working out a trade with the team with the top pick in the Rule 5, in order to have him draft the player of your choosing in exchange for a player from your own franchise, would be "collusion"
Anytime that you ask another team to perform a transaction on your behalf is collusion.

Just like "I'll sign your type B if you sign my type B".
12/14/2009 6:20 PM
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12/14/2009 6:22 PM
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Key phrase is. "Player to be named"
12/14/2009 6:22 PM
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