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Like I've said before...growing up and cutting my teeth on EA Sports recruiting, this is a huge change and I think if recruiting was more styled like EA, that HD would be more full than it is now. For a newb, this kind of recruiting is really sink or swim...you might succeed, but you're more likely to fail miserably.

All of you are just so engrained in the way things are, so much so that you can't/won't consider what could be, by thinking outside the box. I'm getting the hang of recruiting and pending no BS, I'm fixing to get the recruits I wanted 2 seasons straight. With that said, I still like EA recruiting better...sometimes simplicity is better than complexity.
1/14/2010 10:23 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 1/14/2010Like I've said before...growing up and cutting my teeth on EA Sports recruiting, this is a huge change and I think if recruiting was more styled like EA, that HD would be more full than it is now.  For a newb, this kind of recruiting is really sink or swim...you might succeed, but you're more likely to fail miserably.All of you are just so engrained in the way things are, so much so that you can't/won't consider what could be, by thinking outside the box.  I'm getting the hang of recruiting and pending no BS, I'm fixing to get the recruits I wanted 2 seasons straight.  With that said, I still like EA recruiting better...sometimes simplicity is better than complexity.

So go do some "EA recruiting" then.
1/14/2010 10:31 AM
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WIS could certainly dumb down recruiting, if that was what they wanted - and that could make learning easier at the start

Fewer cycles would significantly change the tactics of recruiting. Hard to say exactly how users would react to fewer cycles. It would make the decisions lumpier - one would have to fish or cut bait quickly. Various tactics would disappear. I think poaching could be become a more logical tactic, unless other changes were made to adjust.

All told, I think that the cycles are about right. If one wants to time it one can participate in 6 of the 8 daily cycles just by logging on three times a day at the right times.

If WIS were considering changing the recruiting cycles, my top two changes would be

1. permit coaches to load in advance the recruiting actions they want to take during the first cycle - its often annoying that that first - rather important cycle - is just two hours long. I've suggested this often and many users seem to like it. Load your moves any time in say the 12 hours before recruiting starts. The cycle is still 6-8 ET, but offer opportunity to preload (and yes, one might not know whether SIMs are on some players - thats the fog of war and the price of pre-loading)

2. cut a day from the process - the last 24 hours dont seem really needed.
1/14/2010 10:48 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/14/2010
WIS could certainly dumb down recruiting, if that was what they wanted - and that could make learning easier at the start

Fewer cycles would significantly change the tactics of recruiting. Hard to say exactly how users would react to fewer cycles. It would make the decisions lumpier - one would have to fish or cut bait quickly. Various tactics would disappear. I think poaching could be become a more logical tactic, unless other changes were made to adjust.

All told, I think that the cycles are about right. If one wants to time it one can participate in 6 of the 8 daily cycles just by logging on three times a day at the right times.

If WIS were considering changing the recruiting cycles, my top two changes would be

1. permit coaches to load in advance the recruiting actions they want to take during the first cycle - its often annoying that that first - rather important cycle - is just two hours long. I've suggested this often and many users seem to like it. Load your moves any time in say the 12 hours before recruiting starts. The cycle is still 6-8 ET, but offer opportunity to preload (and yes, one might not know whether SIMs are on some players - thats the fog of war and the price of pre-loading)

2. cut a day from the process - the last 24 hours dont seem really needed.

I am a huge fan of those 2 suggestions.
1/14/2010 10:50 AM
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Well I will give something to colonels, they could do a semi-dumbed down version in D3. Only problem with this though is then you get to D2 and your screwed there although you might know a little better.

The one suggestion I could say is that your first year or even second at D3 you can have the option of having the AI show you the recruiting, while they put moves in place you have the chance to repel or accept what they do. While the SIMAI is not the best recruiters to look at it would give people a clue maybe?
1/14/2010 11:00 AM
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I'm more than willing to work with recruiting as is, but I would still like to see cycles cut....maybe 4 a day...8 is just way too many imo and eliminate the non-signing recruit period by a day, or altogether. From what I gather, my recruits have been ready to sign with me since day 1. I'm guessing WIS has this in there to ensure a bit of competitive balance (everyone has ample opportunity to recruit before signings begin) but if you're not geared up to recruit and or you can't make it on time, etc, then thems the breaks and you probably shouldn't be playing this game to begin with.

Also, I'd like to see WIS add all D1 worlds as well in the future, but that's another can of worms completely.
1/14/2010 11:44 AM
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Ya but colonels, players in real life don't sign as soon as they are first talked to their senior year. Your having to woo them and other schools know where your going with your efforts in real life as well. It would eliminate the whole fight for guys IMO. If you wanted someone you would dump all your money into them right off the bat and just hope you hold on and it would loose all strategy.

Also, when your talking about EA sports your talking about sims your playing against, or another player that can see what your doing. You can't see what every school is doing in HD until maybe the second day around this time when you see who is considering who.
1/14/2010 11:48 AM
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Oh one last thing colonels, you must not use pull down or drop downs then to improve your class if all your guys are considering you since day one. I just had a 6 class recruitment with my Queens team and out of the 6 guys I signed 4 had me as a "backup option" meaning if they got an offer from a D1 program or high A level D2 program they wouldn't even come to me.

When you start considering the drop downs and pull downs it takes longer than just that first day. Heck I got 2 of the messages after signing had started with the Queens team.
1/14/2010 11:51 AM
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Pull downs and drop downs are another reason to go with a D1 only world as well.

As far as your Queens team goes, you basically inherited a pimp team with a B prestige that has done very well in the past...my team is a C prestige and the 2 "pull downs" I went after both told me to go eff myself. I've got to build my prestige up a bit before I tread the murky, muddy waters of the D1/D2 hybrid recruit.

Lastly, go buy an EA Sports game, because you can't see who is doing what from a recruiting standpoint...you have NO IDEA how the sims are recruiting in EA, none. I can't stand when people talk about **** that they know nothing about. Just because I said after recruiting is over, we should be able to see who spent what on whom, you take that as I want to see everything throughout the recruiting process...not true.
1/14/2010 12:09 PM
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Are you kidding me and my friend used to sit up all night playing NCAA Football since the Playstation days and just simming games and recruiting. We would get through about 15-20 seasons every week or two and start over every night we would hang out.

So don't tell me I dont know what I am talking about. If you couldn't predict what it took to steal guys away from the SIM or who they were going after then you were not paying attention very well. When my friend would recruit I could see exactly what he was doing as well. Anyways thats way off topic I guess.

Also, its like the Madden Trade engine its getting better and I don't try as hard to beat it, but I used to be able to trade just draft picks to get 4-5 #1 draft picks by just trading my basic 1-7 draft picks.
1/14/2010 12:16 PM
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Every school that is not D1 can only see certain people in there realm. An A+ D2 school sees more D2 players than a C D2 school. When your a C D2 school and you pull someone down its usually someone who is already on the A+ teams list in D2, you just see it as D1 cause your so slow in D2.

Also I must say that I won 2 Reg Season conference titles and then 1 Conference Tournament in 5 years at D3 before moving up to D2, maybe if you stayed at a team for a couple years you could get a better job. Not trying to say you can't get one, but I paid my time in D3 to get a okay-good team in D2.
1/14/2010 12:17 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 1/14/2010Pull downs and drop downs are another reason to go with a D1 only world as well.As far as your Queens team goes, you basically inherited a pimp team with a B prestige that has done very well in the past...my team is a C prestige and the 2 "pull downs" I went after both told me to go eff myself.  I've got to build my prestige up a bit before I tread the murky, muddy waters of the D1/D2 hybrid recruit.Lastly, go buy an EA Sports game, because you can't see who is doing what from a recruiting standpoint...you have NO IDEA how the sims are recruiting in EA, none. I can't stand when people talk about **** that they know nothing about.   Just because I said after recruiting is over, we should be able to see who spent what on whom, you take that as I want to see everything throughout the recruiting process...not true.
Kinda like you and HD? It seems pretty arrogant for you to come and say that you want it changed because it doesnt work well for you. It seems to have worked well for most people for years. If you cut the cycles that would have a HUGE impact on D1 recruiting. Maybe D2/D3 you can have players locked up by the end of the first day but no way is that going to happen in D1.

Also if you have a D1 only world how are you going to decide who gets what team? First come first serve basis? Lottery? Only start a couple coaches at the worst teams and then cycle through when they move up?
1/14/2010 12:20 PM
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some people have lives and can't be here for every single cycle and are doing this for entertainment only

1/14/2010 12:44 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 1/14/2010Are you kidding me and my friend used to sit up all night playing NCAA Football since the Playstation days and just simming games and recruiting. We would get through about 15-20 seasons every week or two and start over every night we would hang out.

So don't tell me I dont know what I am talking about. If you couldn't predict what it took to steal guys away from the SIM or who they were going after then you were not paying attention very well. When my friend would recruit I could see exactly what he was doing as well. Anyways thats way off topic I guess.

Also, its like the Madden Trade engine its getting better and I don't try as hard to beat it, but I used to be able to trade just draft picks to get 4-5 #1 draft picks by just trading my basic 1-7 draft picks


are you my friend?? holy crap, i didn't know anyone else did this. my best friend and i back in the day (and occasionally when we see each other now) would simulate and recruit only. we never played the actual games!
1/14/2010 12:48 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by wfudd on 1/14/2010some people have lives and can't be here for every single cycle and are doing this for entertainment only

Which is why you only have to log on a right before a cycle ends to double up and get both of them at the same time.
1/14/2010 12:48 PM
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