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Quote: Originally Posted By verbal kint on 2/02/2010
Can we get a little prep time for this? This isn't going to be a simple draft considering all the rules. I don't want to just do some half-assed winging on the picks.
I second this motion - a set start date, perhaps(maybe even a loose time schedule)
2/2/2010 3:04 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By xxevilivexx on 2/02/2010I think a three round draft kills my chances at getting fair player
The three round draft would give you the 24th pick in round 1, and then the 1st pick in round 2 and 1st pick in round 3.

The third round is to offset the disadvantage that you are under in round 1.

I'm just throwing this out as a suggestion for parity based on doing a few of these in the past...
2/2/2010 3:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By masterdebate on 2/02/2010that'd be like asking me to change my rule to include torii hunter.
Your rule doesn't introduce 'random unfairness' by requiring rob deer and brian hunter on every roster. However, in my experience, a 2-round snake draft is unfair to the players at the tail end of the first round.

As I said, I'll abide with the rule if it stands. Just feeling bad for the folks with the later picks in the first round.
2/2/2010 3:20 PM
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I know this won't mean much since I now have the number 2 pick, but rules are rules.

Besides, after I make my pick, it's 45 picks until I get my second exclusive. It will all even out.

There are plenty of choices out there, so I say leave it as is. A third round could severely limit choices for the rest of our rosters.
2/2/2010 3:21 PM
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24th + 1st = 25

23rd + 2nd = 25

22nd + 3rd = 25

21st + 4th = 25

everything equals 25; therefore it is all in theory fair
2/2/2010 3:22 PM
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Another concern in the drafting process - It turns out that the majority of players from Vermont were pitchers before 1950. Weeding those out, as well as HOF player Carlton Fisk, players with salary under $1M, Yankee/White Sox players, and guys over 22 HR or SB, that leaves us with a player base of 10 players (some with many usable seasons) to choose from.

Someone feel free to check me, but according to my research, the only choices are:

Hitters:
Daric Barton
Chris Duffy
Larry Gardner
Ralph LaPointe
Fred Mann
Amby McConnell
Pat Putnam
Birdie Tebbetts

Pitchers:
Ernie Johnson
Len Whitehouse

It's possible that all those would get taken in the draft...
2/2/2010 3:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By xxevilivexx on 2/02/2010

24th + 1st = 25

23rd + 2nd = 25

22nd + 3rd = 25

21st + 4th = 25

everything equals 25; therefore it is all in theory fair




Talent is not distributed evenly, so it's not additive like your theory would require.

The reason for this is because there is a large difference between Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez (for example) who are likely selections at the top of the first round, and those selected at the bottom of the first round.

The talent distribution is flatter when you get to the second runs. There's a much smaller difference between the top of the second-round and the bottom of the second round. Same is true at the third round. But, having a third round draft in the same order as the second round helps to even out the uneven distribution of the first round.

Am I really the only one who has seen this in the past? I'll go along with it and see what happens. But I'm pretty sure I know what the results will be already...
2/2/2010 3:57 PM
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On the Vermont issue:

I took looked at the few options available. Good list, though Tom Lynch is missing. I'd reason that the limited player pool won't be an issue. Sure the top three or four Vermont guys might be taken, but at least half of those players are useless. I'd doubt anyone wastes a pick so they can have Len Whitehouse (career 1.56 WHIP) over Tom Lynch (BA .189). Part of what makes this draft uniquely fun is the choice of taking Larry Gardner off the table, forcing the others to add a total scrub. With only two picks and so many other concerns, I really don't think we'll see a run on the Vermont 11.

Still, better safe than sorry. I propose we add a safety rule. Once 10 Vermont players are off the board, the remaining player become ineligible for drafting.
2/2/2010 4:05 PM
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The bottom line is, it's two players out of a 25 man roster (and 48 out of all the eligible players in ML history).

It's meant to vary the rosters so we don't all have the same guys...if you draft exclusive rights to two scrubs, then you simply find another "Maddux" who's eligible. Or find a gem you can draft that no one else is thinking about.

Honestly, my high pick aside, I have not been the least bit worried about this draft because again, it's two players. Just have fun with it
2/2/2010 4:07 PM
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I do have one question:

The 22HR rule limits Williams to two scrub seasons (and the 22SB rule really limits Hunter). I'm assuming that, since one rule can't trample on another, that rule doesn't apply to them?
2/2/2010 4:16 PM
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Addressing the Ruth question:

Mattedesa raised a question about the the eligibility of players we must have on the roster. I had always assumed they were ineligible for drafting, because it's already a rule that they are on your roster. Still, to make sure everyone's on the same page, here are the players blacklisted from the draft (they should be all your teams):

Babe Ruth
Ted Williams
Teddy Higuera
Rob Deer
Brian Hunter / Brian L. Hunter

There also seemed to be some confusion about player exclusivity. If you draft Maddux, you have exclusive use of his career. No one else can use any other Maddux season. When Maddux is drafted, all his seasons are off the board.
2/2/2010 4:18 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By Jtpsops on 2/02/2010I do have one question:

The 22HR rule limits Williams to two scrub seasons (and the 22SB rule really limits Hunter). I'm assuming that, since one rule can't trample on another, that rule doesn't apply to them
That was my interpretation...
2/2/2010 4:19 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by Jtpsops on 2/02/2010I do have one question:

The 22HR rule limits Williams to two scrub seasons (and the 22SB rule really limits Hunter). I'm assuming that, since one rule can't trample on another, that rule doesn't apply to them?
Genemock answered this one earlier in the thread and you are correct. Deer, Hunter, and Williams are exempt from that rule.
2/2/2010 4:24 PM
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K, missed it...thanks
2/2/2010 4:27 PM
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does amerk know we've started?
2/2/2010 4:32 PM
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