Yeah. Not too bad. Just make sure you don't have him as one of your top 4 options on offense!

Quote: Originally posted by dh555 on 2/08/2010agreed jordans value goes up due to the fact he can play point...but for my uptempo style id rather keep him at the 2 and have a pg that dishes as well so i dont have to worry too much about assists from my frontcourt....i still think lebron is a better 2 though....more assists and 3s...less fouls and turnovers(using jordans 88-89 season)...either way you cant go wrong, im really just splitting hairs here....and your right on with wade being right behind them...havent had the pleasure of using him yet but ive been beaten enough by him to know his worth

Here's my Wade line from the last ODL:

08-09 Dwyane Wade
37.3 Minutes, 28.8 points, 52.4 2pt, 37.2 3pt, 79.3 ft, 4.8 reb, 8.2 Ast, 3.3 TO, 2.7 Stl, 1.8 Blk, 2.0 fouls

He's a monster.

i do like the 95-96 jordan season and may have to use it if i struggle with cap space...but im a sucker for anyone that can average close to a trip dub and jordans 88-89 season is one of the best

ive never used tov% while drafting(basketball-reference.com?)....usually just look at top48....really wish wis would make that a stat we can view....im not even sure how that works to be honest...i look at 89-90 jordan and 08-09 lebron and they have pretty much the same exact usgae and top48, so how is lebrons tov% higher?

Quote: Originally Posted By ashamael on 2/08/2010Yeah. Not too bad. Just make sure you don't have him as one of your top 4 options on offense

LOL yeah that wouldnt be good

tov% = turnovers divided by possessions.

Possessions, in case you don't know, are determined by the following: (FGA + TOV + (0.44 * FTA)).


As for how their usages can be similar and top48 with different tov%... Turnovers count as a possession, which counts in usage. You can have the same number of possessions per minute, but a different distribution of those possessions. Does that make sense? They also played different minutes in different eras (pace issue, which is what usage is supposed to balance).

According to WIS, they use tov% to determine whether a player turns the ball over or does something else to end the possession (shoot a field goal, get fouled). Why they don't tell us what each player's tov% is, I have no idea. You have to go to somewhere else for players post 1977-1978, and before that, you have to do math.

It's the number one thing I've been asking for from WIS for almost a year. Show me tov%, and allow me to search for it and sort by it in the draft center.

Quote: Originally posted by empdenied on 2/08/2010
Here's my Wade line from the last ODL:

08-09 Dwyane Wade
37.3 Minutes, 28.8 points, 52.4 2pt, 37.2 3pt, 79.3 ft, 4.8 reb, 8.2 Ast, 3.3 TO, 2.7 Stl, 1.8 Blk, 2.0 fouls

He's a monster.

Were you running half-court? The points seem really low for up-tempo, assuming you didn't have too many possessions...

ahh ok...makes more sense now...thanks ash...and yea they really should make that a sortable stat....could be very useful

I agree with ash completely about Billups...I'm just used
to seeing him slide to the early second round. I'm more surprised that Stojakovic went as soon as he did.

I looked hard at Rodman and a little at Lebron at #5, but I'm intrigued to see what I need to do to build around Magic.

Quote: Originally posted by ashamael on 2/08/2010

Quote: Originally posted by empdenied on 2/08/2010Here's my Wade line from the last ODL:

08-09 Dwyane Wade
37.3 Minutes, 28.8 points, 52.4 2pt, 37.2 3pt, 79.3 ft, 4.8 reb, 8.2 Ast, 3.3 TO, 2.7 Stl, 1.8 Blk, 2.0 fouls

He's a monster.

Were you running half-court? The points seem really low for up-tempo, assuming you didn't have too many possessions...

I did run half court for most games.

20) Jerry Lucas. Drafting in the upper teens/low 20s can be hard sometimes. Do you go for the guy you want but might not believe is a 1st rounder? Or do you wait and see if he's there on the swing? In my experience, most of the time, that guy isn't there anymore. Especially when that guy is a rebound machine. I like Lucas. A lot. And with the proximity to your next pick, I like the pick even more. He brings you much of the same things Russell does but is more efficient in many ways. Solid pick.


@emp: I thought so.

21 Tim Duncan. I'm not a fan of the big fundamental in this sim, but he definitely brings some good things to the table. He (like someone else that surprisingly hasn't been drafted) is a much better player IRL than in the sim. But, as I said, it's not like he's chopped liver. He's an excellent building block. Decent efg%, gets to the line a lot, makes a decent amount of them while there, gets a few boards on both ends, and blocks some shots. Cenquist is a better owner than me, anyway, so he knows exactly what he's doing and will probably win 60 games with Duncan as his core.

22) Hakeem Olajuwon. He was the guy I was talking about with Duncan. Lot of fouls, lot of turnovers, doesn't get to the line as much as other premier big men, he's not going to get it done by himself on the boards (ie needs major help), nothing spectacular for efg%... great player - some say the best C of all-time - just not as good in the sim. IRL, I take him over the Admiral every time. In this sim, I go the other way around.

But getting him at 22... that changes things. You're in position to quickly draft a compliment to him... I've seen Hakeem go as early as 2 or 3... which doesn't put you in a position to get a good enough compliment.

Another nice thing is the fact that he's 100% at PF, too, so you can grab a center later if the best player available is a center (which they often are).

Nice pick at 22.

Quote: Originally Posted By ashamael on 2/08/201021 Tim Duncan. I'm not a fan of the big fundamental in this sim, but he definitely brings some good things to the table. He (like someone else that surprisingly hasn't been drafted) is a much better player IRL than in the sim. But, as I said, it's not like he's chopped liver. He's an excellent building block. Decent efg%, gets to the line a lot, makes a decent amount of them while there, gets a few boards on both ends, and blocks some shots. Cenquist is a better owner than me, anyway, so he knows exactly what he's doing and will probably win 60 games with Duncan as his core

Ummm, better owner, me?! BOW I have 5 teams at the bottom of the division. Only one of these is in double digit wins, and we are at game 36. My best team, currently second last in the division, is 15-21!

That being said...I am so winning ODL this time around!

billups went waaay too early... wade is not a top 5 pick in an odl... peja is absolutely a wasted pick that high, one dimensional (sorry, 98)... imo, shaq doesn't even belong in the top 20 of an odl... the players that have been skipped thus far is a crime... lol... hakeem is fast approaching the status of 2nd round material (a sim shame)... magic is great, but in an odl, he is a ball and chain on a team... except for assists, he comes up just short in most other areas, thus, not a top 5 pick... in an odl, jerry lucas should never drop as far as he did...