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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/14/2010
Also, why did Duke (#3 overall) A. get the best draw and B. get to play the winner of the play-in game...shouldn't the #1 overall face the play-in winner? Just some very illogical decisions on the committees part.
I'm sure that by the committee's rankings, Duke doesn't have the best draw, but I agree that they probably do - particularly in terms of Purdue as a #4. Seeding Purdue is something of a challenge given their situation.

As for getting the play-in game winner, I believe that's because the two higher seeds got sent to Thursday-Saturday sites and they prefer to send the play-in winner to a Friday-Sunday so they have an extra day after the Tuesday game. I don't think the committee puts that much concern into properly ordering the 1 v. 16 matchups in terms of the strength of the 16s.
3/14/2010 7:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ineverlose on 3/14/2010

Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/14/2010
Minnesota making the tournament is a joke...especially over a team like Mississippi State who lost their CT final by 1 in overtime to a better team (Kentucky) than Minnesota getting killed by Ohio State in the Big Ten final...not sure how MN made it over MSU...what a joke.
Not necessarily. They had a better RPI and beat the top 4 teams in the Big Ten at one point i think. And they beat Michigan State and Purdue in the conference tournament. I thought MSU should have gotten regardless of the result today but the lack of marquee wins screwed them.
RPIs...Mississippi State 57...Minnesota 60...anything else? And again a 1 point overtime loss to a better team, or a 20 point loss to a worse team? Perhaps the committee should make their mind up after the games are played....
3/14/2010 8:00 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By AlCheez on 3/14/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/14/2010
Also, why did Duke (#3 overall) A. get the best draw and B. get to play the winner of the play-in game...shouldn't the #1 overall face the play-in winner? Just some very illogical decisions on the committees part.
I'm sure that by the committee's rankings, Duke doesn't have the best draw, but I agree that they probably do - particularly in terms of Purdue as a #4. Seeding Purdue is something of a challenge given their situation. Villanova, Baylor and Purdue are the other top 4 seeds in their region...I think they got the best draw.

As for getting the play-in game winner, I believe that's because the two higher seeds got sent to Thursday-Saturday sites and they prefer to send the play-in winner to a Friday-Sunday so they have an extra day after the Tuesday game. I don't think the committee puts that much concern into properly ordering the 1 v. 16 matchups in terms of the strength of the 16s.

3/14/2010 8:01 PM
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Like I said, I don't disagree that they did, although I'm sure the committee would say differently based on how they have the teams ranked.

I also think it's not quite as good as it's been made out to be, since, assuming Baylor makes it to the 2nd weekend, they'll essentially be the home team playing in Houston.
3/14/2010 8:16 PM
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Guys, I'm excited that my BYU team will be once again beat by a team from a major conference that has athletic players that has had an up and down year.



Yahoo.

3/14/2010 8:21 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By AlCheez on 3/14/2010
Like I said, I don't disagree that they did, although I'm sure the committee would say differently based on how they have the teams ranked.

I also think it's not quite as good as it's been made out to be, since, assuming Baylor makes it to the 2nd weekend, they'll essentially be the home team playing in Houston.

Villanova and Purdue are on obvious downswings as well, I don't disagree with their seeds per se, but maybe those teams should be in Kansas' region. With that said, I don't expect Duke to make it to the Final 4.
3/14/2010 8:22 PM
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Duke will go out early...again. Their recent past in the NCAA tournament isn't exactly sparkling, and that same Villanova team that absolutely throttled them in the Sweet 16 last year is in their bracket. I can't see Duke making it past the Sweet 16, and you know that your typical 8/9 team was probably relieved that A., Duke was given the #1 seed over WVU or tOSU and B., Duke could be their second round matchup. Needless to say, I'm not a believer.

Why the hate for Siena, by the way? They've won a first round NCAA tournament game two years in a row, and I see no reason why they can't beat Purdue. Definitely a touch matchup for the Boilemakers, even if they had their full compliment of players.

Cornell got hosed on seeding. Still, having watched both Cornell and Temple play this year, I'd give the edge to the Big Red. Notre Dame as a six seed is a joke when they were barely in the field less than a week ago.

Virginia Tech and Mississippi State can't complain. Try not losing to Rider at home every once in awhile or schedule one of the worst non-con schedules in the entire country and then you might have a case.
3/14/2010 8:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By atrain9954 on 3/14/2010Because Evan Turner is one of the best players, if not the best, in the country and Ohio State's starting lineup is one of the best as well. The only problem is depth. To me, Duke just isn't 1 seed material, but that is my opinion
That may be your opinion, but it's not supported by the actual results. I'm a Big Ten guy that has absolutely no love for Duke, but I think the notion that they didn't deserve a 1 seed is fairly preposterous.
3/14/2010 8:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/14/2010Minnesota making the tournament is a joke...especially over a team like Mississippi State who lost their CT final by 1 in overtime to a better team (Kentucky) than Minnesota getting killed by Ohio State in the Big Ten final...not sure how MN made it over MSU...what a joke
I thought the only thing that mattered was whether you won or lost ...
3/14/2010 8:44 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/14/2010Also, why did Duke (#3 overall) A. get the best draw and B. get to play the winner of the play-in game...shouldn't the #1 overall face the play-in winner? Just some very illogical decisions on the committees part
The play-in game thing is weird, I agree.
3/14/2010 8:45 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ineverlose on 3/14/2010? Come on bro. I'm just saying. I'm a big ten fan so I want them to win. I just wont be surprised if they lose. However, Siena can give them some problems. They have surprised in the last couple of years and beat Ohio State last year unexpectedly.
Btw, Georgia Tech is one of most inconsistent teams around even worse than Louisville etc etc. I agree that Duke should not have gotten a 1 seed, but they won their conference tourney and played a pretty tough stretch even though i really hate them.

Otherwise most of the picks are straightforward
Sorry man, I just am overreacting to a frustrating situation that the Boilers are in. With Hummel they are a 2 maybe 1 seed. Without him... my Boilermakers might not make it past 2nd round. The pains of being a Purdue fan are endless... especially when ESPN consistently trashes them. But GT could make a decent run... I hate DUKE!
3/14/2010 8:45 PM
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Ah, letting your emotions dictate logic, that explains it. I'd be frustrated as hell if I were a Purdue fan, too. I feel for you guys.

But it wouldn't be that surprising if Siena beat them. Siena is a strong team and has great recent NT experience. If Purdue had drawn a team like Wofford, I'd feel much better if I were you.
3/14/2010 8:49 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By girt25 on 3/14/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By atrain9954 on 3/14/2010
Because Evan Turner is one of the best players, if not the best, in the country and Ohio State's starting lineup is one of the best as well. The only problem is depth. To me, Duke just isn't 1 seed material, but that is my opinion.
That may be your opinion, but it's not supported by the actual results. I'm a Big Ten guy that has absolutely no love for Duke, but I think the notion that they didn't deserve a 1 seed is fairly preposterous.
Well hear me out... I just think Duke won't make it very far in this tournament, I don't think they have a good enough team. They had a good enough season for a 1 seed, but that said I don't think hey will perform like one.
3/14/2010 8:49 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By girt25 on 3/14/2010
Ah, letting your emotions dictate logic, that explains it. I'd be frustrated as hell if I were a Purdue fan, too. I feel for you guys.

But it wouldn't be that surprising if Siena beat them. Siena is a strong team and has great recent NT experience. If Purdue had drawn a team like Wofford, I'd feel much better if I were you.

Haha we lost to Wofford in Non-con a couple seasons ago, so maybe not them, but I get your point. I do think that Purdue can squeeze out 1 or 2 more wins before they crumble like they did vs. Minnesota.
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That's totally possible re: Duke, but we both know they have to be seeded based on their resume and body of work. And based on that, they clearly deserve a 1 seed.
3/14/2010 8:54 PM
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