Case for BCS system over Tourney Topic

Any championship not awarded through a playoff is a sham, plain and simple.

A knock on the BCS that you have glanced over in defending it is that every post season game but 1 has become useless. I'm a Pitt fan, we won the Meineke Car Care bowl and I could car care less.

March Madness gives us 3 weeks of excitement, upsets, favorites and an eventual tournament champion. The BCS's argument that the regular season would be irrelevant ignores the fact that it made the post season irrelevant.

The #1 team might not always win, but the #1 team was only called that because people voted on it, when given the chance to prove it they didn't.
3/27/2010 3:37 PM
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3/27/2010 3:38 PM
some folks just dont get it.

let me preface by saying. . . the NCAA tourney is the best, most entertaining way to decide the title for college basketball. It will never go away, nor should it....

That said it DOES NOT crown the best team. it crowns the hottest team.

Using this logic, Kansas is now the #17 team in the country? There's 16 teams that "performed" better in the tourney... But Kansas is STILL a Top5 team in the country.

I just dont understand some people. ESPECIALLY considering we are members of this site. Which is largely based upon statistics and probability.
3/27/2010 3:39 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By mjp8 on 3/27/2010Any championship not awarded through a playoff is a sham, plain and simple.

A knock on the BCS that you have glanced over in defending it is that every post season game but 1 has become useless. I'm a Pitt fan, we won the Meineke Car Care bowl and I could car care less.

March Madness gives us 3 weeks of excitement, upsets, favorites and an eventual tournament champion. The BCS's argument that the regular season would be irrelevant ignores the fact that it made the post season irrelevant.

The #1 team might not always win, but the #1 team was only called that because people voted on it, when given the chance to prove it they didn't
You missed my point, I said I wasn't defending the BCS system as a whole, what I'm saying is the BCS system gives us a guaranteed great national championship matchup while the NCAA tourney does not.

I agree wholeheartedly about the playoff.
3/27/2010 3:41 PM
Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 3/27/2010I would like to hear the argument of how a single elimination tournament proves that 1 team is better than the other. ok, are you ready for it? Because one team wins and one team loses. That was really tough, don't make your questions so hard next time. Do you think Northern Iowa is better then Kansas? well they won, so yah. If you are going to ask me "Do I think UNI is more talented then Kansas", well that is a completely different question, but the one you are asking is very very simple, they each had 40 minutes to go out and win and one of them did. Case closed. Do you think St. Mary's is better than Villanova, do you think Michigan State, Butler and Tennessee are 3 of the 8 best teams in the nation?

3/27/2010 3:41 PM
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3/27/2010 3:45 PM
I think comparing football to basketball is useless. There are many more basketball teams that are comparable in talent than football just due to numbers. I will admit that Kansas, Syracuse, and Kentucky were the best teams, but the talent difference is not that great. I think that the Tourney is great, and a big draw is because it gives many more a chance to win it all.
3/27/2010 3:48 PM
Quote: Originally posted by mjp8 on 3/27/2010Any championship not awarded through a playoff is a sham, plain and simple.

A knock on the BCS that you have glanced over in defending it is that every post season game but 1 has become useless. I'm a Pitt fan, we won the Meineke Car Care bowl and I could car care less.

March Madness gives us 3 weeks of excitement, upsets, favorites and an eventual tournament champion. The BCS's argument that the regular season would be irrelevant ignores the fact that it made the post season irrelevant.

The #1 team might not always win, but the #1 team was only called that because people voted on it, when given the chance to prove it they didn't.

50,389 people cared enough to attend the game. Many more watched on TV.

Maybe you're just not a big Pitt fan then. If there was an 8 game playoff Pitt would not have been invited. Even if it was a 16 team playoff there's a good chance Pitt would probably have been on the sideline as well.

So your team got an extra game this season and made the most of it. The game generated money for the sponsors. Got its true fans an extra game. Seems like a win/win to me for just about everyone.
3/27/2010 3:49 PM
You can still have the bowl system and incorporate a 8 to 16 team playoff.
3/27/2010 3:51 PM
And Pitt didnt deserve to be in an 8 team playoff.

I watched the game on TV and do you know what I thought about?

The epic 24 point collapse we had in the Big East Championship game against Cincinatti. Beating the 4th or 5th place ACC team in a bowl in December meant nothing...even to the real fans that you think I'm not.

But then again, we could have been Cincinatti who went undefeated and then got a game that meant nothing besides more money for the school. Don't feed me the oh the school got money and fans to to see an extra game stuff because NOTHING was on the line besides a trophy and money that the fans never see.

Do you think Florida brags about the Sugar bowl win? Cinci might not have won the national championship if they were given one, but the fact that they didn't even get one is a joke.
3/27/2010 3:52 PM
Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 3/27/2010I know football season is long over and far from starting but looking at this season's NCAA tourney got me thinking, season's like this make me happy football has the BCS system. Here's the reason in college football at the end of the season there is almost always very little case to be made against the team that is the BCS national champion. When was the last time a team won the title and you were thinking they weren't the best team? Also how often is the title game a game you really wanted to see? Who actually wanted to see UNC vs. Michigan State? I'm pretty sure most people predicted the outcome that happened. We have been fortunate the last few seasons, since the team that has won the title has probably been the best team. This season that may not be the case, all season long there were 3 teams who proved they were a level above everybody, Syracuse, Kentucky and Kansas, now 2 of those teams have been upset. If you polled the majority of college basketball fans and asked them what game they most wanted to see a game involving the combination of the 3 would've dominated the answers, and under the BCS system the likely national championship would've been Kansas vs. Kentucky, a game everybody would've been excited for. Now imagine we get a national championship this season of Butler vs. Baylor, how many people would be excited for that game? Or how about Kentucky vs. Tennessee for the 4th time? Or maybe Baylor vs. K State for the 3rd time? What if Baylor wins the national championship, will you really think the best team in the nation won the title? Now I'm not saying the BCS system is better than the NCAA tourney, I love the NCAA tourney but I don't think the BCS system is as bad as people make it out to be. We are guaranteed a national title between 2 teams that haven't played each other and are arguable the 2 best in the nation. The 2 weeks leading to the national title in basketball is probably the best 2 weeks of sports of the year for me, but sometimes we get anticlimatic national title games, and I'm not talking about the results. Like I said who was excited for UNC vs. Michigan State or UCONN vs. Georgia Tech or Maryland vs. Indiana? Ever since the BCS system was put into place the national title game in football has been an anticipated game. I think if a tournament was put into place it could take off the shine of the national title game because on average the 2 teams won't be as good as the teams that the BCS gets in the title game, and on top of that will do no better of a job deciding who the "true" national champion is.Now you guys can fire away with how perfect the NCAA tourney is and how bad the BCS system is.
villanova winning the title in '85 was one of the greatest moments in college basketball history, and without a tournament you wouldnt have that.
3/27/2010 3:54 PM
Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 3/27/2010
Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 3/27/2010I would like to hear the argument of how a single elimination tournament proves that 1 team is better than the other. ok, are you ready for it? Because one team wins and one team loses. That was really tough, don't make your questions so hard next time. Do you think Northern Iowa is better then Kansas? well they won, so yah. If you are going to ask me "Do I think UNI is more talented then Kansas", well that is a completely different question, but the one you are asking is very very simple, they each had 40 minutes to go out and win and one of them did. Case closed. Do you think St. Mary's is better than Villanova, do you think Michigan State, Butler and Tennessee are 3 of the 8 best teams in the nation?


this is a ridiculous response. not only is the format questionable, but the content is complete ****.
3/27/2010 4:01 PM
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3/27/2010 4:03 PM
THE ONLY THING THAT WILL EVER WORK OR SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IS A +1 GAME. . . . .

The #1 and #4 seeds square off. And the #2 and #3 seeds square off. Use the regular bowl games for those....

Then the next week have a BCS championship game. Done...

3/27/2010 4:07 PM
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