Advance Scouting... Again. Topic

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And this is important now because, since it is in the forum, new players are going to read this and be led astray by you. And that's unfortunate.
4/17/2010 3:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 4/17/2010
I never said a lot of the time. Again, let's not put words in my mouth.
You are correct. You never said the word "lot." Here is what you said:

"we found sometimes that the guy that had 0 advanced scouting had more accurate information than the guy with 20. No kidding. I've seen it in action.
4/17/2010 3:04 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by mitchrapp on 4/17/2010
Quote: Originally posted by tropicana on 4/17/2010It isn't so much about convincing anyone of anything, mitch -- it's about how the budget actually works. And though 18 has the likelihood of being more accurate it doesn't guarantee it.
In my time, 18 will always show a more accurate projected than 2, always. And when someone who has 18, 2 or 0, if they believe their ratings -- minds can't be changed.

Again, it's not about believing the ratings I'm seeing in the projections. I do my own math to make up my mind. How I figure this out has nothing to do, in reality, to projections at all. I just am coming up with different numbers using how **I** come up with a players value based on how he is progressing currently and in the past.

And in this particular case, the 18 scouting is not jibing up with what I am actually seeing -- not the 2 million projections or anything else.
4/17/2010 3:08 PM
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Trop sorry buddy, but I'm calling you wrong on this one and I hope the new owners do see this and learn not to buy this argument. I'm fairly certain that the projections I'm seeing with $18 Adv Scouting are pretty damned accurate. And definately more accurate than what you're seeing with $2 Adv Scouting.
4/17/2010 3:08 PM
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4/17/2010 3:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 4/17/2010
Quote: Originally posted by mitchrapp on 4/17/2010
Quote: Originally posted by tropicana on 4/17/2010It isn't so much about convincing anyone of anything, mitch -- it's about how the budget actually works. And though 18 has the likelihood of being more accurate it doesn't guarantee it.
In my time, 18 will always show a more accurate projected than 2, always. And when someone who has 18, 2 or 0, if they believe their ratings -- minds can't be changed.

Again, it's not about believing the ratings I'm seeing in the projections. I do my own math to make up my mind. How I figure this out has nothing to do, in reality, to projections at all. I just am coming up with different numbers using how **I** come up with a players value based on how he is progressing currently and in the past.

And in this particular case, the 18 scouting is not jibing up with what I am actually seeing -- not the 2 million projections or anything else
The player is 21 and was drafted last season... you don't have a whole lot of pregression history to go off of with him. So, I'm not following that argument either.
4/17/2010 3:10 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by coonja76 on 4/17/2010Trop sorry buddy, but I'm calling you wrong on this one and I hope the new owners do see this and learn not to buy this argument. I'm fairly certain that the projections I'm seeing with $18 Adv Scouting are pretty damned accurate. And definately more accurate than what you're seeing with $2 Adv Scouting.

Again, I'm not using the 2 million scouting projections. I just said it for the umpteenth time just above. It's based off what I'm physically seeing in how he is progressing. And what I'm physically seeing doesn't match up with what you're telling me.

Which, it should be mentioned, I can't guarantee is right either -- you could be fibbing about what you're seeing. I don't know.
4/17/2010 3:11 PM
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4/17/2010 3:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By coonja76 on 4/17/2010And the question is, does MikeT claim that Adv Scouting is worthless and always off... or is he simply using this approach bcuz he's comfortable with his ability to track his players' progress and projections through means other than Adv Scouting


No and yes. ADV is not worth it to me. I'm comfortable not using but, if you're not, it's worth a lot to you. It's all about YOUR comfort level.

Yes, it's always off. Projections are best guess. The more you put into it, the better it is but it's still off. Nothing, including my self-confidence, gives you 100% accuracy.

4/17/2010 3:17 PM
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Gee, would I believe someone with over a 500 record and 7 championships or someone with a under 500 record and 1 championship? Man......that is a toughie!!
4/17/2010 3:30 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by moosep on 4/17/2010Gee, would I believe someone with over a 500 record and 7 championships or someone with a under 500 record and 1 championship? Man......that is a toughie!!
That doesn't actually have anything to do with it. But if that's the route you want to go, go ahead. Believe your projections are 100% accurate.
4/17/2010 3:33 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By moosep on 4/17/2010Gee, would I believe someone with over a 500 record and 7 championships or someone with a under 500 record and 1 championship? Man......that is a toughie!
I'm wasn't going there because in all fairness Trop has always been a good owner in the worlds we've been in together. Is he occasionally a pain in the a**? Sure, but who isn't? He is a good owner though... I just think he's way out to lunch on this one.
4/17/2010 3:38 PM
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4/17/2010 3:45 PM
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I have a question to ask about ADV scouting, Im pretty sure both of you or probably most of the ppl on wis can answer. Does ADV scouting have any effect on how the player actually turns out? I know training, coaches, playing time, and so many other things effect rating. But all things being equal, if you draft a great prospect really young and just keep notes on them and promote them to keep them progressing, eventually that player will still be the same whether you had 20 or 0 in adv scouting ?
4/18/2010 11:55 AM
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