This guy is jumping to the NBA?? Topic

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Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 6/06/2010We should be looking for what makes sense for HD

Explain how uncertainty in the EE process does not make sense for HD.
6/6/2010 7:54 PM
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I don't think "certainty" is the right word. How about some degree of predictability? I personally have never seen anything close to this. If he were a senior I am confident in saying there is no way in Hell he would be drafted...so why has this occurred? Is any PG with 99 BH and 99 Passing a potential ee target regardless of other dificiencies in his game?
6/6/2010 8:04 PM
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OK then, explain how 100% predictability in your players makes sense for HD.
6/6/2010 8:59 PM
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i had a similar jr G get drafted from VCU this past season, never started a game, only made it to the 1st round of the NT, but his cores were good and he ended up getting drafted
6/6/2010 9:03 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by kobo on 6/06/2010Yes Brown (like about 50 other PGs in Div I) is 99 in speed ball handling and passing...BUT he is a 48 ATH and a 51 PER and a 63 DEF. I will guarantee I have had 20 PGs better than Brown who went undrafted. And I have never seen such a low end guy jump to the NBA. Of 5 juniors on my team...he is absolutely the weakest. Players do not declare for the NBA if they are unhappy with their playing time...they transfer.
Not if they're JR's they don't. Just ask Manny Harris.
6/6/2010 9:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 6/06/2010
Quote: Originally posted by kobo on 6/06/2010 Yes Brown (like about 50 other PGs in Div I) is 99 in speed ball handling and passing...BUT he is a 48 ATH and a 51 PER and a 63 DEF. I will guarantee I have had 20 PGs better than Brown who went undrafted. And I have never seen such a low end guy jump to the NBA. Of 5 juniors on my team...he is absolutely the weakest. Players do not declare for the NBA if they are unhappy with their playing time...they transfer.
Not if they're JR's they don't. Just ask Manny Harris.
OK ... so you're saying Manny Harris, who averaged 36 mpg last season, declared because he was unhappy with PT?
6/6/2010 10:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 6/06/2010OK then, explain how 100% predictability in your players makes sense for HD
I don't think anyone is advocating 100% predictability, or anything close to it.

Personally, I think there should be a degree of predictability in EE's -- a certain caliber of player that would have a shot at going. That doesn't mean that player necessarily would or wouldn't go. But the player in question shouldn't have even been in the conversation.
6/6/2010 10:11 PM
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Yeah, dalter, that's pretty much exactly what's being advocated.

This debate has been going on since season one, and the long-gone dilemmas. Usually, the "stop making things happen to my players that I don't want to happen" side wins. I imagine we'll see another round of it if old engine low DUR players start breaking down in droves.

But, frankly, it makes the game far less interesting to have all the rough edges smoothed out all the damn time.
6/6/2010 10:36 PM
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eh, as long as a player is going to be drafted in the HD NBA draft then i have no issue with random early entries, if guys start declaring and not getting picked then that will be very frustrating
6/6/2010 11:11 PM
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How did you extract 100% predictability from some degree anton? I am just saying that without some degree of predictability there is no control for coaches, it is all random and what would be the point of playing? It is why I wouldn't participate in an online coin flipping game, is that hard to understand?

I do not want 100% certainty in the game, the elite players (and experienced coaches know who these guys are at a glance) should have the potential to jump early...my opinion is that this particular player is not anywhere near that level and that confuses me.

In this case (early entries) shouldn't there be some way of gauging who might declare for early entry into the NBA? Or should absolutely every player in Div I be potential draft entries? To me that seems a bit absurd.
6/6/2010 11:16 PM
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They're clearly not random, or else you'd see really low guys declaring early. Much lower than this guy.

I think anton has hit the nail on the head on this issue.
6/6/2010 11:17 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 6/06/2010Yeah, dalter, that's pretty much exactly what's being advocated.

This debate has been going on since season one, and the long-gone dilemmas. Usually, the "stop making things happen to my players that I don't want to happen" side wins. I imagine we'll see another round of it if old engine low DUR players start breaking down in droves.

But, frankly, it makes the game far less interesting to have all the rough edges smoothed out all the damn time.

I am not a "stop making things happen to my players that I don't want to happen guy" but that doesn't mean I want to have no way of gauging the odds of certain things happening either...if we don't have some degree of control why play the game?

And I am not opposed to this player going per se, but from my past experience, he would be a guy who was far below the cutoff for early entry. I have asked if anyone had seen players of this caliber declare early before. So far no responses confirming that this has happened before. So, is this something new that I will have to consider when building a team? Or, has it always been this way and I just happened to hit the lottery this time? Or has somebody been dicking around with the code and pretty soon Div II guys with 400 ratings are going to declare early?

Is it so wrong to want to know what is going on?
6/6/2010 11:31 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by kobo on 6/06/2010
Is it so wrong to want to know what is going on?


Nope. I'm more arguing with dalter's "this guy should never have " position.
6/6/2010 11:53 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/06/2010eh, as long as a player is going to be drafted in the HD NBA draft then i have no issue with random early entries, if guys start declaring and not getting picked then that will be very frustratin
The logic doesn't allow for that.
6/7/2010 12:34 AM
dalter
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 6/06/2010
Quote: Originally posted by kobo on 6/06/2010
Is it so wrong to want to know what is going on?


Nope. I'm more arguing with dalter's "this guy should never have " position


How is what he's saying really different, and do you really think a guy of that caliber should be leaving early?
6/7/2010 12:36 AM
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