Over time, I've come to believe that power is the driving force for all extra base hits.   Baserunning is the secondary source with speed/splits a close third.

According to baseball-reference.com, all players in major league history with more than 2500 career plate appearances have at least 1 HR.

In HBD, this is the most extreme case I could find.

Rodrigo Unamuno

5 career HR with a power rating of 2.

I don't disagree with it, but then the rate at which they hit triples should be less than 1 in 100 AB for these guys.

Posted by mhulshult on 9/28/2010 9:46:00 AM (view original):
According to baseball-reference.com, all players in major league history with more than 2500 career plate appearances have at least 1 HR.

In HBD, this is the most extreme case I could find.

Rodrigo Unamuno

5 career HR with a power rating of 2.

your guy is a pitcher...are you saying extreme as in the fact that he should have never hit 5 HR?

Right, most home runs with the lowest power rating I've seen.

Examples:

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2044463  Not fast, respectable BR, OK power, good split-doubles machine
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2044510  Almost the same but splits are reveresed-still good at hitting doubles
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2469335  Fast, decent BR, no power, OK splits-not so good at doubles
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2267654  Slow, good BR, no power, good splits-not so good at doubles

Posted by mhulshult on 9/28/2010 9:58:00 AM (view original):
Right, most home runs with the lowest power rating I've seen.

He's at 1 per every 200 AB which is quite the difference between 1 per every 1,000,000,000 AB that CS told me for only 2 rating points.

By the way, none of those guys hit very many triples.

and I wouldn't expect them to hit any.  But a guy with 99 Baserunning and 99 speed should be hitting inside the park HR if he's hitting triples.

The most career AB's by any MLB player since 1900 without a HR is 1,931 by Tom Oliver (1930-1933).

I suspect there is a problem somewhere in the game.  Maybe it's OK for a guy with zero power to not ever hit a home run.  But maybe there are too many zero power guys in HBD, at least ones that are good enough to make it to a MLB roster.  Maybe most of the zero power guys should be one power guys.

In real life, I think it has to do with how hard pitchers throw the ball and how hard any athlete (or any somewhat fit adult, for that matter) can swing a bat.  A guy's bound to get the fat part of the bat on the ball at some point during his career.

Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2010 10:09:00 AM (view original):
The most career AB's by any MLB player since 1900 without a HR is 1,931 by Tom Oliver (1930-1933).

I suspect there is a problem somewhere in the game.  Maybe it's OK for a guy with zero power to not ever hit a home run.  But maybe there are too many zero power guys in HBD, at least ones that are good enough to make it to a MLB roster.  Maybe most of the zero power guys should be one power guys.

I think this is the key statement here.  Should zero power guys even exist?

Hopefully patrickm885 can make a comment in here - customer support really isn't getting very far.  They keep telling me it is possible for a zero power guy to hit a HR.

Paraphrasing dev chats;

100 is the top percentile
0 is the bottom percentile.

HBD is modelled, statistically anyway, towards real life.

Thus, a 0 meeting average random factors should hit a HR once every 2500 AB. Any more, and it defies the statistical reality (as noted in BB reference).

We've all seen it. Dude dives for a ball and misses it and has no back up. Noodle bat hits a high pop up in Candlestick and it gets carried out by the wind. Dude bounces one off of Canseco's head.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a waaaay up there important. But the equivalent to "0 maybe hits a HR every 1,000,000 AB" is "100 hits a HR every 3 AB"

It's just as wild an aberation from the extreme norm.

Posted by bigal888 on 9/28/2010 10:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2010 10:09:00 AM (view original):
The most career AB's by any MLB player since 1900 without a HR is 1,931 by Tom Oliver (1930-1933).

I suspect there is a problem somewhere in the game.  Maybe it's OK for a guy with zero power to not ever hit a home run.  But maybe there are too many zero power guys in HBD, at least ones that are good enough to make it to a MLB roster.  Maybe most of the zero power guys should be one power guys.

I think this is the key statement here.  Should zero power guys even exist?

A quick count in Cooperstown.  There are 79 zero power guys (position players only) on rosters (8 majors, 71 minors).

Figure there's roughly 2500 position players across all teams (just a rough guess).  That's around 3% of all position players with zero power.

Assuming a standard bell curve for power distribution, having an extreme end at 3% seems out of whack.