Posted by zbrent716 on 11/23/2010 3:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jpccr on 11/22/2010 9:34:00 PM (view original):
if you don't develop better/faster in the minors, what would stop me from calling this guy up to the majors now:


 Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Ron Randall

A desire to succeed long-term and an understanding of how to properly manage salary considerations?

And, for the love of God - and to maximize his development now and his value later - stop letting him waste away in the closer role logging only 60-70 IP per season. He can be good for nearly twice that.

Calling the player up with crush his long-term hopes?

You'll have to pay him sooner, but if he helps you win today, I'd call him up.  Losing sucks.

I took over a team in Mays this season with a complete stud prospect who had only been at High A last season. While his ratings looked good enough to play in the bigs, I was worried about a 3 level jump in one season, so I stuck him at AAA. The very first game of the season my starter at his position on my big league team went on the 60 day DL. I therefore went ahead and gave him the call-up. Wih 13 games left in the season now, he is hitting .311, 35 HR, 118 RBI and 42 SB. He was an All-Star is should win ROY hands down. I'm actually a bit disappointed he isnt on the MVP ballot with those numbers. He has also cvontiuned to get better all season, gaining 3 or 4 points in his vs R and vsL and points across the board defensively too.

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/23/2010 6:02:00 AM (view original):
Calling the player up with crush his long-term hopes?

I'm not sure who you're answering here. Aside from salary, would Randall be affected long term if he was brought up?

I was responding to zbrent's 3:46 AM post.

Randall is a legit BL-player right now.   If he will help you achieve your goals, there's no reason to keep him in the minors.   That said, he will become arb-el and a FA earlier, obviously, than if you waited 3 more seasons. 

thanks, and thanks everyone for chiming in.

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/23/2010 2:42:00 PM (view original):
I was responding to zbrent's 3:46 AM post.

Randall is a legit BL-player right now.   If he will help you achieve your goals, there's no reason to keep him in the minors.   That said, he will become arb-el and a FA earlier, obviously, than if you waited 3 more seasons. 

That second sentence, along with the quicker time to arb and the potential to not have him for more prime seasons (or at least at higher cost) are all "reasons to keep him in the minors" even if he might help achieve some goals now.

You weigh those reasons against just how much he can help now, what your other options are, whether you're a playoff team without him, etc. but rushing players to the majors without properly considering the LT implications makes it much harder to build a successful franchise in the LT.

Players cannot leave for 7 seasons IF you bring them up after 20 games.   And, quite frankly, I don't think I've ran across a player who wouldn't sign a long-term deal during his 2nd arb so you can make that 11-12 seasons..  So, really, I'd say you pretty much get their prime seasons no matter what.  The only "real" decision is how much you're willing to pay for them.  

Nonetheless, bringing up a 2nd year pro does not, in any way, shape or form, crush long-term hopes and dreams.

ok, here's another for y'all. I just signed this FA 40 games into the season as a stop-gap. Why did he take a promotion hit?

 Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Dan Walsh

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/23/2010 3:21:00 PM (view original):
Players cannot leave for 7 seasons IF you bring them up after 20 games.   And, quite frankly, I don't think I've ran across a player who wouldn't sign a long-term deal during his 2nd arb so you can make that 11-12 seasons..  So, really, I'd say you pretty much get their prime seasons no matter what.  The only "real" decision is how much you're willing to pay for them.  

Nonetheless, bringing up a 2nd year pro does not, in any way, shape or form, crush long-term hopes and dreams.

You're the only one (of the two of us anyway) who said anything about "crushing" any dreams.

I'm merely pointing out that it can often make economic sense to hold off on rushing a prospect up, even if he may be someone who can, by ratings, play a role for the ML team now.

Posted by jpccr on 11/23/2010 3:23:00 PM (view original):
ok, here's another for y'all. I just signed this FA 40 games into the season as a stop-gap. Why did he take a promotion hit?

 Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Dan Walsh

The "Promotion" line is regarded by many owners - myself included - as merely an event line, like any other.

So, here, he didn't really take a "promotion hit" - his skills had merely eroded some because he sat on his *** between the previous event line ("Regular Season") and the subsequent event line ("Promotion").

Posted by zbrent716 on 11/23/2010 3:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jpccr on 11/22/2010 9:34:00 PM (view original):
if you don't develop better/faster in the minors, what would stop me from calling this guy up to the majors now:


 Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Ron Randall

A desire to succeed long-term and an understanding of how to properly manage salary considerations?

Are you not implying that the desire to succeed long-term could be adversely affected by calling up this player?

Did you not imply that calling this player up early could lead to losing him during his "prime" years(despite the fact that you and I both know that players are locked up for 11-12 seasons if we want them to be)?

Since I obviously can't understand what you're saying, please use smaller words to explain how calling up a 20 y/o RP can cause such problems.  Thanks in advance.

Posted by zbrent716 on 11/23/2010 3:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/23/2010 2:42:00 PM (view original):
I was responding to zbrent's 3:46 AM post.

Randall is a legit BL-player right now.   If he will help you achieve your goals, there's no reason to keep him in the minors.   That said, he will become arb-el and a FA earlier, obviously, than if you waited 3 more seasons. 

That second sentence, along with the quicker time to arb and the potential to not have him for more prime seasons (or at least at higher cost) are all "reasons to keep him in the minors" even if he might help achieve some goals now.

You weigh those reasons against just how much he can help now, what your other options are, whether you're a playoff team without him, etc. but rushing players to the majors without properly considering the LT implications makes it much harder to build a successful franchise in the LT.

Here's the potential to not have him in his prime years quote.   I'm not sure how you're losing so many players in their prime.  Smaller words for me, please.