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MikeT23
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Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Elston Lee isn't even what I'm talking about.   I see him getting 75-95 innings(based on the projections I had at 20m).   I had him 18th on my board.  He also has two pitches at 70 coming out of HS.   He's not slam the door-quality but he should be effective for about 8% of my innings not 4%.
3/2/2011 11:50 AM
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You are implying that there's only that available. I'm implying that if that's your narrow focus, you are wrong in thinking there wouldn't be better available.

So, to reword so it answers your asinine question; no, because there's better relievers available.
3/2/2011 11:52 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2011 11:40:00 AM (view original):
Jeez.  100-125 innings is not 45-50 innings.   Apples and oranges.   Do I take a guy who gives me 100 innings of 3.25 ERA over a guy who gives me 150 innings of 4.80 ERA(like I listed in POST #1)?  Sure. 
well, which would you rather pay for in FA, all else being equal?  I'd rather have the quality innings over the high quantity.  150 inning guys w/ 4.80 era are a dime a dozen, cheap at the end of free agency, sometimes just about given away.  A guy that can post 100 quality innings always has value to someone.
3/2/2011 11:58 AM
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You, too, are comparing 100 innings to 150 innings.  I'm comparing 50 innings to 150 innings.   You can't carry very many 50 inning pitchers on a staff.  You can carry 10 100 inning pitchers if you carry 2 200 inning pitchers with them. 

3/2/2011 12:12 PM
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Posted by deathinahole on 3/2/2011 11:52:00 AM (view original):
You are implying that there's only that available. I'm implying that if that's your narrow focus, you are wrong in thinking there wouldn't be better available.

So, to reword so it answers your asinine question; no, because there's better relievers available.

No, I'm asking, amongst available players, where do you rank THIS CERTAIN TYPE OF PITCHER?  I'm not asking you to justify your draft picks. 

3/2/2011 12:18 PM
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I rank the solid reliever just ahead of the defensive replacements (80/80/80/80 that can't hit), but behind the #3/#4 starting pitchers.  50-70 innings that you KNOW will be used at the major league level is preferable to spending a pick on a AAAA hitter/fielder.

I use the draft tool to rank the players that project to be major league contributors FIRST.  Then I'll add in a few marginal players/fillers.  Most teams need two or three 50-70 of those SetupB types for the low-leverage innings in those 6-1 or 4-0 games that don't require the closer/SetupA guys.
3/2/2011 12:29 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2011 12:12:00 PM (view original):

You, too, are comparing 100 innings to 150 innings.  I'm comparing 50 innings to 150 innings.   You can't carry very many 50 inning pitchers on a staff.  You can carry 10 100 inning pitchers if you carry 2 200 inning pitchers with them. 

sorry, again I'd rather have the 50 innings of quality pitching, vs the 150 innings of average pitching. Average pitching is easily available.  You probably can't get by on a bullpen full of 50 innings a year pitchers, but 1 or 2 quality pitchers at 50 innings a piece that will only pitch in high leverage situations are more valuable to me.
3/2/2011 12:33 PM
deathinahole
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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2011 12:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by deathinahole on 3/2/2011 11:52:00 AM (view original):
You are implying that there's only that available. I'm implying that if that's your narrow focus, you are wrong in thinking there wouldn't be better available.

So, to reword so it answers your asinine question; no, because there's better relievers available.

No, I'm asking, amongst available players, where do you rank THIS CERTAIN TYPE OF PITCHER?  I'm not asking you to justify your draft picks. 

Ok, I get where we are having the disconnect. I think.

I wouldn't get 40-50 innings out of a 25/60. I'd get 100+, if he was valuable enough to do it.

I rarely use that type of pitcher in relief, because...see previous...someone is usually paying him to be a starter. I can get a quality 75/15 to do that for cheaper.
3/2/2011 12:34 PM
deathinahole
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Oh ****, he's 25/24. Really, I need a vacation.
I wouldn't have paid 2M for him, no.
3/2/2011 12:37 PM
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I try to pick up RP like you mentioned in rounds 2-4, because it's fairly easy to pick up those marginal slugging 1B types or good defense/no offense SS in the int'l market or even in rounds 3-6 of the draft. Defensive Cs can also be found pretty easily in there, as well. I love finding veteran bargains to fill out my last two or three spots in the rotation.

Having a couple of decent RPs with 4 years or fewer of service time really allows you to spend a little more on your high leverage guys, and they do make nice trade sweeteners.
3/2/2011 1:31 PM
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I rank pitchers by effectiveness.  500 is where I estimate my ML effectiveness ends up.  Then I project IP.  For every IP below 100, a pitcher loses 0.5.  For every IP above 100. a pitcher gains 0.25.  So a 500 effective RP with 50 IP would be worth the same as a 450 effective SP with 200 IP.
3/2/2011 6:20 PM
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What?
3/2/2011 6:28 PM
MikeT23
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He has a ranking system.
3/2/2011 6:44 PM
jonas1102
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Spreadsheets are wonderful tools for this game.
3/2/2011 6:53 PM
MikeT23
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Yeah, I use them too.   And I keep putting the RP like I mentioned pretty far down the list. 
3/2/2011 6:57 PM
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