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deathinahole
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Still waiting for what the suggestion is.
5/28/2011 11:38 AM
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I believe it's in the 2nd post.
5/29/2011 2:50 PM
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tecwrg
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How does this affect game play?
6/1/2011 11:48 AM
MikeT23
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There is one obvious manner(and I think it's the reason for arlen's "suggestion").

Domestic and international scouting.   If you're investing in one and not the other, you might be in the wrong field if you think there's a disparity in talent.   Say you put 20m in international and 0/0 into domestic.  You obviously don't care what sort of "Americans" are available.  Conversely, heavy domestic scouting and light international would be the exact opposite.  

If I had to guess, arlen is very low IFA scouting and he's unhappy about missing out on the "best" players.
6/1/2011 12:03 PM
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Hehe.  I was right.   0 and 3 IFA scouting in his two worlds.   I expect my previous post to meet an unfortunate end.
6/1/2011 12:07 PM
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It makes no difference whether my teams have $0 or $20 million budgeted.  The world's results are the same.  I think you know that.  But, you seem to have to argue something, especially if you think you can show yourself as smarter (and that doesn't seem to work as often as you may wish, Mike).
6/2/2011 11:14 PM
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The point is that over time amateur draft talent has been drastically reduced, to a new standard (if there is a standard).  Meanwhile, I'm questioning whether the talent levels of internationals have been reduced just as much.  I don't know, but it seems "suspect."  And that is why I'd ask WIS to look into it.

(Find another angle though, Mike, if you need.)
6/2/2011 11:16 PM
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Posted by ArlenWilliam on 6/2/2011 11:16:00 PM (view original):
The point is that over time amateur draft talent has been drastically reduced, to a new standard (if there is a standard).  Meanwhile, I'm questioning whether the talent levels of internationals have been reduced just as much.  I don't know, but it seems "suspect."  And that is why I'd ask WIS to look into it.

(Find another angle though, Mike, if you need.)
"over time amateur draft talent has been drastically reduced"

And the evidence to back up this statement is . . . ?
6/3/2011 6:02 AM
deathinahole
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Stop. You know fact based arguments are inconvenient to Arlen.
6/3/2011 6:53 AM
MikeT23
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I disagree, arlen.  On several things but, if you'd like to show us how amateur draft talent has been drastically reduced, we can start there and move on to the other things.

6/3/2011 7:15 AM
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I would like to pose a question to anyone, and hope that I don't get back snarky answers.  In anyones experience, has there ever been a case were draft pick below the third round ever amounted to a effective player on an ML roster?  Even as a 4th or 5th OF/IF backup or RHS, LHS pitcher? 

The one problem I see with the draft, and I admit I have a very small sample to look at, is that other than first rounders (and even then not all of them), you have a very small chance that anyone else will be good enough for the bigs.  This seems to fly in the face of what HBD is supposed to simulate. 

Would it be a problem to incorporate a better chance of finding late round sleepers if you spend enough money on scouting?  If I spend only 10 mil, then I shouldn't expect my scouts to find a Mike Piazza, in the late rounds, but if I spend 18 mil, I would think the talent found in each round would be better, and I would have a chance to find a big leaguer in later rounds (3 - 6) than most. 

Not saying it should or could happen every year but maybe a .5% chance of a sleeper find each round for every million spent over the league average?

6/3/2011 10:11 AM
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I didn't read all that as it's been debated to death but the answer is "yes".   Excluding DITR, I've had several 3-5th round picks play in the bigs.   I think I've had a couple of 9th rounder make it as defensive players.    The one example I could remember quickly(I'm not digging thru my drafts to answer the same question that's been asked hundreds of times) who was drafted after the 5th round is this guy:

Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Cozy Flores
6/3/2011 10:25 AM
MikeT23
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OK, I read the entire post.   Assuming everyone who spends 18m can see the "sleeper", why would he fall the the 3rd or 6th round?   Wouldn't everyone who sees him bump him up the ladder?  So, instead of drafting that defensive catcher at the top of round 4, that guy would be taken.   Or, if he's your "sleeper", why would you wait to draft him?  Will he be earmarked as a sleeper than only you can see?  Would you risk putting him at 233 on your list because you know only you can get him?   Wouldn't that be risky as maybe you don't get to him on your list?
6/3/2011 10:35 AM
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Ok, do you think it had more to do with the team you had, or do you think it was just a random pick that made sense?  Acutally I am suprised you didn't have a better replacement, even though he had just above average splits and pitch numbers.
6/3/2011 10:36 AM
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