Posted by gcfs on 6/18/2011 11:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by acres1972 on 6/17/2011 7:01:00 PM (view original):
I admit it. I have 283 IDS. I would cheat at a game of checkers if I were playing against my own Mother. I am the Scuzz of the earth. My 1st Screen name was JConte. I finally retired that one. Cheating gives me great pleasure and makes my liver quiver. Don't hate me b/c you ain't me !!!!!!! 

Don't hate me b/c you ain't me !!!!!!
 
It should read  "dont hate me b/c you aint me and everyone else IS !!


too funny

LoL

Posted by usfbully on 6/18/2011 9:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by nwwf on 6/17/2011 5:07:00 PM (view original):
I don't have a problem a guy has 2 ID's in the same world and if one gets fired the other stepping in. I have 2 ID's in the same world and when they were in the same Division together, my alter ego profile was on the other side of the country so I didn't have to recruit against my other profile. Now they are in different division so i don't have to worry about it. I think there was one instance I realized, AFTER RECRUITING, that both my schools initially targeted the same guy, but spent the same on recruiting from both schools. As long as they aren't in the same conference, and don't play each other, unless by chance they get paired together in the playoffs, I don't see a problem with it. Reason I have 2 ID's in this world, the one ID is my brother's and after he started playing he was deployed ot Afganistan so I am running it until he gets back.

This is the mentality of a cheater.

All of us pay to play some can't compete fairly so they resort to cheating. They make jokes about it trying to sweep it under the rug.Having two teams in the same conference is the worst form.Having a Id pick up a team you just were fired from is B.S. as well.It creates advantages that the other players do not have of course that's why it is called cheating.

Some players just suck on several levels. All cheaters are losers in my book.

Posted by maddog63 on 6/17/2011 5:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rmancil on 6/17/2011 7:42:00 AM (view original):
I have noticed over the years several players with duel id's. Some are pretty open about it while others are not. I have seen the same player get fired from a job and have his alter ego/identity step in the job.I also have seen what looks like open cheating by running two clubs in the same conference or bordering the same region.

The conflicts are pretty obvious to me and I can't help to wonder what pleasure comes from winning by cheating? 

If you own two or more clubs that recruit in many cases against the same schools you know that provides a very lopsided advantage. Why do it ? Do you stink that bad?

Here is the chance to come clean and change you ways.Please take advantage of this opportunity and do the right thing. If you have two or more Ids list them here to avoid any perception of misconduct.

They pay their money so they can do what they wish as far as I'm concerned. Maybe quit worrying about what others may or may not be doing and just have fun with what you are paying for?

PS rmancil, do you use part of your recruiting budget to pay your players? They are entertainers and should be compensated with more than just and education, room, board the previlege of being on your team!

How many teams do you have in the same div??

is it really cheating at all? Phil Knight funds Oregon and Stanford.  http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/headlines/knight_gift.shtml
so if it happens in real life, is it cheating to do it in the game? I mean come on. They let you send booster gifts...

Posted by chrondon84 on 6/19/2011 6:05:00 PM (view original):
is it really cheating at all? Phil Knight funds Oregon and Stanford.  http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/headlines/knight_gift.shtml
so if it happens in real life, is it cheating to do it in the game? I mean come on. They let you send booster gifts...

Your talking about owning two teams in the same div and in some cases the same conference. Clear recruiting advantage how can you think that is ok?? Most see it for what it is cheating. Of course extremely weak players have to resort to such activities.

One of the main problems with more than one team in the same division even when they are not in the same conference is that they can squeeze teams that are located between their boundary's.The more battles a team is in the less resources that team has to win with.The results are unfair for the team located between the same ownership clubs.Often times I here the argument that having muti teams in the same world is necessary due to the recruiting schedule. I understand schedule's but why the same division or the same conference or with in close proximity?

Why not have teams in different divisions like 1a and 1aaa that separates the teams and allows for muti ownership. If you take a div 1a and a div 1aa you still need to make sure they are for removed geographically to avoid the appearance of hitting on your opponents recruiting class from your superior school.Some very good owners/players/coach's have muti Id's and don't cheat however clearly their are others who do.It is pretty hard to justify exceptions too new players in old worlds how it is ok for some old coachs but not for them.

Several of you have e-mailed me saying that I should make a list of the offenders and send it in to Wis I don't want to do that, I do think that no employee has as much interest in this game at this point as the coach's do.I also admire some of the offenders and how hard they have worked in building their teams while apparently avoiding conflicts of interest.

The coach's need to police this matter themselves at this time imop. 

I have news for you.  This topic has been debated to death back when the old engine was still in play.  The matter was brought up to WIS and its basic answer was it would judge each case separately.  The basic conclusion was this:  WIS allows two teams in the same world in the same division unless the two teams were too close (as arbitrarily judged by jconte).  It goes without saying that his judgement were inconsistent since there were no specific rules in place.  He's allowed the same coach to control Notre Dame and Texas but have also disallowed USC and Rice.  Go figure.

So WIS allows it.  The coaches do it.

That was then, I don't know whether it is still the case now that jconte moved on.

It is still the same. Case by case. If you don't report it, don't expect anything to be done.

I'll also name names. devindupre and 2guinness are run by the same person. He coached at Minnesota and Ohio St. last season in my conference. I didn't experience any problems for the one season both Id's were there and they didn't play each other but that is obviously bush league. So he then moves his devindupre Id to Vanderbilt and this season Vanderbilt and Ohio St. are both recruiting against me, Notre Dame, in my home state of Indiana. I have a problem with that.

Yeah.. above DII, I think, 2 IDs in the same world can tip a balance.. because you really can do long-distance recruiting well enough, targetting select recruits of a specific coach such that you could cause significant problems for that coach's recruiting class.  The scary thing is that you could theoretically do that and STILL have a decent enough recruiting class of your own.  It really can change the dynamic of the game.. and even if it's only done a few times, it can really impact the way a coach has to recruit. 

This is certainly not something that is inconsequential.  Even best case, where a guy plays it totally honest, there still is the matter of having the scouting knowledge of 2 separate teams.. if the overlap is close enough, that can be a big advantage.

But.. what can be done?  It's another quirk of the game... one of many.

One other thing, which is an aside for me... having multiple IDs in a world also affects another thing.. opportunity to coach your favorite school.  Now, if your favorite school is St. Olaf.. you'll probably be able to get a job there, no problem.. but if it's Oklahoma... good luck.  In the real world, there's only ONE Oklahoma... (OU fans will get that), but in WIS, there are 11.  In order to get that job, you have to be the best of the best.. AND have the job come available.   If you miss out on it, you have at least 4 seasons to wait to see if the new coach screws up.  If he doesn't, you're out of luck.  BUT, if the new coach has multiple IDs, and has been as successful with ID2 as with his first ID, he's got a good shot at locking down the OU job for life, or at least until you get bored with coaching at Montana or Baylor, whatnot.

To me, this is the flaw that kills GD as a game for joe college fan.  The core college fan isn't just a fan of the college game... although he enjoys it.. almost all college fans have at least one team they rabidly follow.. 3-4 tops.  If they can't play one of those teams in the game, they'll give up on it eventually and go play EA Sports or something.  Until WIS finds a way to address this, it's going to be a minor player in college football simultion games.

Posted by jeffkahleb on 6/21/2011 9:47:00 AM (view original):
I'll also name names. devindupre and 2guinness are run by the same person. He coached at Minnesota and Ohio St. last season in my conference. I didn't experience any problems for the one season both Id's were there and they didn't play each other but that is obviously bush league. So he then moves his devindupre Id to Vanderbilt and this season Vanderbilt and Ohio St. are both recruiting against me, Notre Dame, in my home state of Indiana. I have a problem with that.

Jeff, I landed on one DB and left him completely alone after 1st cycle. Relax... I don't have any problem being called out on it. I'll drop Vandy because it's obviously a problem. I've never tried to do anything sneaky or "bush league".

When both my ids were at d2 that is why I picked western Washington cause it 2000 miles from my other school. I since still have my d2 school on my other profile and my school on this profile is d1. But I do agree especially comes to d1 schhols should not have multiple profiles.

Posted by devindupre on 6/21/2011 12:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jeffkahleb on 6/21/2011 9:47:00 AM (view original):
I'll also name names. devindupre and 2guinness are run by the same person. He coached at Minnesota and Ohio St. last season in my conference. I didn't experience any problems for the one season both Id's were there and they didn't play each other but that is obviously bush league. So he then moves his devindupre Id to Vanderbilt and this season Vanderbilt and Ohio St. are both recruiting against me, Notre Dame, in my home state of Indiana. I have a problem with that.

Jeff, I landed on one DB and left him completely alone after 1st cycle. Relax... I don't have any problem being called out on it. I'll drop Vandy because it's obviously a problem. I've never tried to do anything sneaky or "bush league".

Tip of the cap to Devin way to man up!

Posted by atcchris on 6/21/2011 12:48:00 PM (view original):
One other thing, which is an aside for me... having multiple IDs in a world also affects another thing.. opportunity to coach your favorite school.  Now, if your favorite school is St. Olaf.. you'll probably be able to get a job there, no problem.. but if it's Oklahoma... good luck.  In the real world, there's only ONE Oklahoma... (OU fans will get that), but in WIS, there are 11.  In order to get that job, you have to be the best of the best.. AND have the job come available.   If you miss out on it, you have at least 4 seasons to wait to see if the new coach screws up.  If he doesn't, you're out of luck.  BUT, if the new coach has multiple IDs, and has been as successful with ID2 as with his first ID, he's got a good shot at locking down the OU job for life, or at least until you get bored with coaching at Montana or Baylor, whatnot.

To me, this is the flaw that kills GD as a game for joe college fan.  The core college fan isn't just a fan of the college game... although he enjoys it.. almost all college fans have at least one team they rabidly follow.. 3-4 tops.  If they can't play one of those teams in the game, they'll give up on it eventually and go play EA Sports or something.  Until WIS finds a way to address this, it's going to be a minor player in college football simultion games.

There are plenty of worlds in which to work at landing your favorite team the key is work. Just because you want to coach Oklahoma means you should. The key is earning the right which is why it is a elite job.