F = 50%, D = 65%, C = 75%...A= 95%

so a  freshman with a 90 REB rating and F/F in IQ is viewed on a par with a guy with a 47 rating and A/A IQ's?

Posted by metsmax on 9/23/2011 2:15:00 PM (view original):
agree with you z - I was responding to the OP - I dont think those numbers are right - but I have not ever tried to put it in numbers, because even if I knew the exact numbers I am not sure what I would do differently

Ok - and Iguana brought up a great point too, that doesn't seem right at all. I think some ratings are more affected by IQ than others. But I don't think 50% is correct and I think it might almost be a bonus to some stats too, think of it as a decision making skill - just because you make bad decisions doesn't mean you forgot how to dribble the rock, etc.

Posted by zsap on 9/23/2011 2:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 9/23/2011 11:29:00 AM (view original):
My guess is that IQ is a multiplier for the ratings, such as F = 50%, D = 65%, C = 75%...A= 95%, with the multiplier being multiplied to your players rating times fatigue. 

This is exactly what I use in my formulas to rate my players.

what do you use that calculation for? 

I can imagine using a calculation like that for some depth chart/playing time purposes, but as others say, I would be surprised that it is literally correct - it would imply that a team where every player rating is 70 with an A IQ would (usually) beat a team where every player rating is 95 but IQ is D....maybe so - heck if I know

Posted by zhawks on 9/23/2011 3:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmax on 9/23/2011 2:15:00 PM (view original):
agree with you z - I was responding to the OP - I dont think those numbers are right - but I have not ever tried to put it in numbers, because even if I knew the exact numbers I am not sure what I would do differently

Ok - and Iguana brought up a great point too, that doesn't seem right at all. I think some ratings are more affected by IQ than others. But I don't think 50% is correct and I think it might almost be a bonus to some stats too, think of it as a decision making skill - just because you make bad decisions doesn't mean you forgot how to dribble the rock, etc.

Sounds like you are talking about Scoop Jardine...

Free Throws. I'd bet donuts that IQ has nuttin to do with'em.

IQ would seem to deal with how well a person can operate and a given scheme. My player is an A- in the Triangle but a D- in motion. He can still get out there and play motion because he has the same physical attributes in either system. He would be more effective in the Triangle (shooting %, Asst/to) but he should have more turnovers or a lower fg% running the Motion. I doubt RB, as jenningss said FT%, have anything to do with IQ. Even on D a guy can still steal the ball... maybe he fouls a bit more with a lower IQ but he should still be able to steal, block shots and have good defensive possessions. 

Posted by metsmax on 9/23/2011 5:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zsap on 9/23/2011 2:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 9/23/2011 11:29:00 AM (view original):
My guess is that IQ is a multiplier for the ratings, such as F = 50%, D = 65%, C = 75%...A= 95%, with the multiplier being multiplied to your players rating times fatigue. 

This is exactly what I use in my formulas to rate my players.

what do you use that calculation for? 

I can imagine using a calculation like that for some depth chart/playing time purposes, but as others say, I would be surprised that it is literally correct - it would imply that a team where every player rating is 70 with an A IQ would (usually) beat a team where every player rating is 95 but IQ is D....maybe so - heck if I know

Well basically, I come up with a Core rating for each player based on position, weighting ratings for each position. After I come up with the Core Rating I multiply that by the % of the grade letter to get a COREIQ rating. I then do the same for a defensive rating I made and multiply that by IQ. I then average the COREIQ offensive and defensive rating to get an overall rating. I actually asked this kind've question before when I was starting these spreadsheets.

http://whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=438527&ThreadID=9455223#l_9455223

Posted by zhawks on 9/23/2011 11:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 9/23/2011 10:44:00 AM (view original):
More than a little, less than a lot.

Although, good players can overcome low IQ.  My 4 star PG recruit at Princeton started game 1 with a D- in our offense and had 8 assists.

How many turnovers to go with those dimes? I would consider the season's Assist to Turnover ratio as a much better picture then total number of assists. That said its still a very small sample size of only one season... which is one reason why I don't think IQ has ever been quantified.

Just a little followup.

My 4 star PG is now 20 games into the season.  He is averaging   4.3 Assists and 0.9 turnovers in about  16 minutes per game.

I play a pretty tough schedule, I think my SOS is in the high 30's.

His OFF IQ started at a D- and is now a C+.

He really has only had one game with more than 2 turnovers and that was against a top 10 team where he didn't have a rating advantage.

What I have noticed is he picks up fouls in bunches.  He has fouled out of 2 games and picked up 4 in 5 others.

Joe, without looking, I'm guessing that you give him little to no distro. Is that correct?

Guys with very little distro have way, way better assist:to ratio than guys asked to score.

(In real life it doesn't really work like that; most of the top assist guys are double digit scorers as well.) 

Yeah, I don't care what a guy's bh and/or pa and/or iq are ... if you give them no distro, their to's will be low.

I think IQs are most important in determining turnovers, FG%, fouls etc.  I suspect there are some situations where the average IQ of the players on the floor matters too (determining when to take a shot, which leads to FG%, and when to make a pass to a certain player, which leads to turnovers or the lack thereof).  IQs probably have very little impact on rebounding and FT shooting %.  I strongly doubt that IQs are used to adjust player ratings across the board: an 80 SPD player is not going to fall to 60 SPD just because his IQ is D.  I suspect where it is used in the engine is at the decision making points in the code (to shoot or pass?...when to go for a steal?...etc.).  It probably factors in to the FG% of your opponent too.  My M2M teams with high DEF ratings, good relative SPD and ATH and high IQs (B+ or better for all 5 starters) and tend to hold opponents to lower FG% than ones whose IQs are a bit lower on DEF.