Posted by chisox378 on 11/27/2011 3:25:00 PM (view original):
I think what zubinism means is that if you take ERC# alone without considering the other #stats then it is not that effective.  Ramon gives up too many walks which will result in runs. That is why I traded Nomo in our league, he walks to many guys for too many years.  I like wright then gentry, then I would start checking + stats. no?

One question there is no stat says HR/9#, is that just meant to be HR/9?

Without doing the math, I agree. But this really depends on my opposition. If I am facing a hr hitting tea
Martinez might be my #1 starter.

One question there is no stat says HR/9#, is that just meant to be HR/9?

You can't see HR/9# in a pitcher's profile (for some reason), but it's there in the draft center.

thanks again stengel.

Posted by crazystengel on 11/27/2011 2:09:00 PM (view original):
Well, it's my quick and dirty way to evaluate a pitcher.  His OAV# is .223, BB/9# is 5.74, HR/9# is 0.00.

My 4 regular starters and their #'s:

1970 Clyde Wright: .238, 2.91 and 0.70
1970 Gary Gentry: .227, 3.92, and 0.79
1970 Don Wilson: .262, 3.06, and 0.63
1970 Bob Veale: .248, 4.00, 0.57

So the rookie's got the best OAV#, the best HR/9# (by far) and the worst BB/9#. 

Where would you rank him in this bunch for a must-win playoff game?

Here are my OL projections:
Martinez may project to be the best, but that walk rate in the playoffs would be quite scary.  He might be more valuable as a reliever as long as you have him on a short leash.  However after looking at the numbers in a neutral context, I'd put him as your second best SP for a playoff start.

	CW	GG	DW	BV	RM
oav#	.238	.227	.262	.248	.223
bb/9#	2.91	3.92	3.06	4.00	5.74
k/9#	5.00	5.00	5.00	5.00	5.00
hr/9#	0.70	0.79	0.63	0.57	0.00
oav	.275	.263	.303	.287	.258
bb/9	3.81	5.13	4.00	5.23	7.51
hr/9	0.90	1.01	0.81	0.73	0.00
ERA	4.82	5.03	5.62	5.46	4.59

Thanks, zub.

What you've also got to consider is this isn't an OL, it's a single-season prog.  My (very likely) first round opponent will have only 1 starting batter with a good walk rate (118 BB in 636 PA) -- most of his full-time batters have around 50-60 walks.  And as Martinez doesn't give up the longball (that's at least one thing he's done well this season, so I know that's not broken) a few walks here are there shouldn't hurt us too much.

P.S. Your projected ERAs follow the same order as these pitchers' ERC#s -- RM 3.13, CW 3.18, GG 3.42, BV 3.67 and DW 3.90...

Playoffs being tomorrow.  Rookie Ramon Martinez will take the ball for the pm2 game (game 2).  His final regular season numbers:

19.1 IP, 12.10 ERA, 2.53 WHIP, .352 OAV

I predict 7 innings with perhaps 2 earned runs given up!

16 IP is no example to base any kind of decision on.  That's the problem with AAA pitching.  An F stamina batter will still get you 200-300 PA's and therefore his numbers have a better chance to revert to the mean.  An A stamina SP will only get you 40IP at best and one or two bad outings will hopelessly skew his stats.

I'd say a home start for Martinez should be do-able.

Well, he didn't pitch great, but we got the win anyway, which we needed after dropping Game 1.  5 runs (4 earned) in 5.1 innings.