Posted by MikeT23 on 12/26/2011 1:55:00 PM (view original):
As I said, you can't legislate stupid out of the game.  If I'm not mistaken, the approve/veto buttons are always in the same location and the program asks you if you're sure.   Do we need it to ask "Really?  100%, absolutely sure?   Are you positive?"   Maybe flashing lights and buzzers will help.

Posted by genghisxcon on 12/26/2011 4:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/26/2011 1:55:00 PM (view original):
As I said, you can't legislate stupid out of the game.  If I'm not mistaken, the approve/veto buttons are always in the same location and the program asks you if you're sure.   Do we need it to ask "Really?  100%, absolutely sure?   Are you positive?"   Maybe flashing lights and buzzers will help.

Holy Jeebus. It has nothing to do with stupidity. It's simply a matter of an easily correctable mistake that you don't want people to be able to correct for, as far as I can see, no reason whatsoever. Did you chew all the erasers off your pencils in school? Did you whine to the teachers about the other kids having them?

Now, can you articulate a good reason why owners shouldn't be able to change their votes, or is this just a case of you being you?

Posted by taz21 on 12/26/2011 4:17:00 PM (view original):
Allow me the ability to change my vote, simply because something brought to my attention later may cause me to change my mind.

I can change my hall of fame vote, I can change my awards votes, but the most important votes I get, the approval or veto of a trade, I get all of 24 hours to make a vote that is locked in stone should I want to ever change it.  Its happened maybe 1x or 2x in however many seasons I've played, but even if I've never been changed my mind on a veto, there may be a time in the future where I think it neccessary.

I don't always know if I'll have time in that 24 hours to come back and vote, so I have to make my decision in the 10 minute window I might have for that day, but what if things change and I do get a chance to log back in.  What if somebody brings up a valid point that wasn't obvious at first and makes me reconsider?  What harm is there in allowing me to change my mind if I find a compelling reason to do so?

The only draw back is the programming time and server space needed to allow this process to happen.  I'll assume those are minimal in the grand scheme of things unless site staff tells me otherwise.  Its not in the top 10 things I'd like to see improved in this game, but its a small change that may make things more user friendly.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/26/2011 10:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by genghisxcon on 12/26/2011 4:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/26/2011 1:55:00 PM (view original):
As I said, you can't legislate stupid out of the game.  If I'm not mistaken, the approve/veto buttons are always in the same location and the program asks you if you're sure.   Do we need it to ask "Really?  100%, absolutely sure?   Are you positive?"   Maybe flashing lights and buzzers will help.

Holy Jeebus. It has nothing to do with stupidity. It's simply a matter of an easily correctable mistake that you don't want people to be able to correct for, as far as I can see, no reason whatsoever. Did you chew all the erasers off your pencils in school? Did you whine to the teachers about the other kids having them?

Now, can you articulate a good reason why owners shouldn't be able to change their votes, or is this just a case of you being you?

Because you have 24+ hours to do it right the first time.   Do you get to change your vote in any other situation in life?

"Do you get to change your vote in any other situation in life?"

Yes.  When you sign a contract involving a major financial commitment, you often have a one to three day period in which you can change your mind and back out if you wish at no penalty.  If you buy something at a store, you often have a period of time in which you can return the product for a full refund should you change your mind.

All of life is not always "make the right decision the first time and that's it".  This should be another example.

Well, you're dismissing other examples of voting within HBD, such as HOF, MVP, Cy Young, and Rookie of the Year, where you can change your mind until the voting period ends.

I figure if you can dismiss those, I can digress about real life.

But you know that.

Taz21 brought those up in his post yesterday, which you responded to at 10:51PM last night.  Are you saying that you don't actually read posts that you respond to?  Doesn't that seem irresponsible?   Since you seem to be expecting everybody else live up to your standards of responsibility, doesn't that come off as a bit hypocritical?

And if voting on a trade is more important than voting on awards, then shouldn't one have more flexibility in being able to change one's mind as the receipt of more information or discussion might change your point of view?  Doesn't being locked into an initial decision seem short-sighted for such an important part of the game?

So the standards the United States of America uses wrt voting isn't a valid reason?

You vote when you know not when someone convinces you of what you know.  The whole "accidental" vote is nonsense.    Approve on the left, Veto on the right, "Are you sure?" always asked.    If you screw that up, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.  

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/26/2011 10:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by genghisxcon on 12/26/2011 4:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/26/2011 1:55:00 PM (view original):
As I said, you can't legislate stupid out of the game.  If I'm not mistaken, the approve/veto buttons are always in the same location and the program asks you if you're sure.   Do we need it to ask "Really?  100%, absolutely sure?   Are you positive?"   Maybe flashing lights and buzzers will help.

Holy Jeebus. It has nothing to do with stupidity. It's simply a matter of an easily correctable mistake that you don't want people to be able to correct for, as far as I can see, no reason whatsoever. Did you chew all the erasers off your pencils in school? Did you whine to the teachers about the other kids having them?

Now, can you articulate a good reason why owners shouldn't be able to change their votes, or is this just a case of you being you?

Because you have 24+ hours to do it right the first time.   Do you get to change your vote in any other situation in life?

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/27/2011 10:00:00 AM (view original):

So the standards the United States of America uses wrt voting isn't a valid reason?

You vote when you know not when someone convinces you of what you know.  The whole "accidental" vote is nonsense.    Approve on the left, Veto on the right, "Are you sure?" always asked.    If you screw that up, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.