This could work as long as it was limited.  For example, backup LF pinch hits for 2b.  Simmy sees that 2b is not one of the PHs listed positions.  Simmy checks the bench and sees that no one can play 2b.  So simmy looks at the best defender available (let's say a backup CF on the bench) and checks if the current CF can play 2b.  If so, great, if not, best available plays 2b.

Sounds like a lot, but just one additional layer of logic that won't come into play that often.

It makes perfect sense, and seems simple enough, if you're doing it.   We've all played video games or managed sims.   However, in your case, it's the 10th inning.   Your back-up CF is the last bench player if you pinch-hit your LF.   Do you make the defensive move and burn your last PH option?   What about injury in the 11th?  Do you want a RP playing LF in the 12th?   There are all kinds of scenarios where I'd want to leave him on the bench.   That was also affects my BU LF hitting for my 2B.   It's very simple logic but a lot goes into the process.

Of course you burn your last bench player.  Given the choice, would anyone play their LF at 2b because they wanted to save a PH for extra innings?

Anyway, it's not a perfect solution, but it does solve the immediate problem.

My original suggestion was not talking about putting in additional players from the bench, but only talking about switching positions of players that are already in the game. Having the sim utilize the backup positions you have assigned to players is a simple and straightforward thing. If after pinch hitting you have players out of assigned positions, it would move them to optimize your defense, but only move them if they have that position assigned.

Even simpler.

There is a reason you don't see teams playing their lead-footed 1B at 2B in extra innings.   It's because they make decisions along the way to prevent it.   Essentially you're asking SIMMY to make these decisions for you late in games.   I don't think it's programmable without the inevitable "STUPID SIMMY PLAYED MY 1B AT 3B IN THE 13TH INNING OF A GAME 7!!!!!"

And that would be worse than playing him at 2b in the 9th?

You can't make it perfect, but apollo's suggestion is a 90% solution to a problem.

Don't know.  My 11 range C ended up in LF for 3 innings.  No balls hit to him.   So, if I want to go by that, I could play him out there all season. 

I have apollo blocked so I have no idea what he's suggesting.  I'm just saying, for the limited number of times this could be used, it's not worth opening that can of worms while it's tweaked, re-tweaked and tweaked again.    And some people will STILL be unhappy.

Waste of time/resources.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/26/2012 12:53:00 PM (view original):
There is a reason you don't see teams playing their lead-footed 1B at 2B in extra innings.   It's because they make decisions along the way to prevent it.   Essentially you're asking SIMMY to make these decisions for you late in games.   I don't think it's programmable without the inevitable "STUPID SIMMY PLAYED MY 1B AT 3B IN THE 13TH INNING OF A GAME 7!!!!!"

And once again, why would you have 3b listed as a backup position for your 1bman? 

But for the sake of arguement, if your lead footed 3bman pinch hits for your shortstop (a likely scenario), would you rather have the 1bman stay at shortstop, or have him move to 3b and your 3bman move to SS?  I know which one I would pick.  However, if you don't have 3b listed as a possible position for your pinch hitting 1bman, then it won't happen anyway, he will stay at SS. 

Admit you are wrong MIkey.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/26/2012 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Don't know.  My 11 range C ended up in LF for 3 innings.  No balls hit to him.   So, if I want to go by that, I could play him out there all season. 

I have apollo blocked so I have no idea what he's suggesting.  I'm just saying, for the limited number of times this could be used, it's not worth opening that can of worms while it's tweaked, re-tweaked and tweaked again.    And some people will STILL be unhappy.

Waste of time/resources.

And here we go. 

Mikey can't admit he is wrong so he has changed his arguement to "waste of resources"...  such a predictable jackass.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/26/2012 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Don't know.  My 11 range C ended up in LF for 3 innings.  No balls hit to him.   So, if I want to go by that, I could play him out there all season. 

I have apollo blocked so I have no idea what he's suggesting.  I'm just saying, for the limited number of times this could be used, it's not worth opening that can of worms while it's tweaked, re-tweaked and tweaked again.    And some people will STILL be unhappy.

Waste of time/resources.

I'm assuming the comment about your catcher was a tongue-in-cheek throwaway line.

Of course some people will still be unhappy.  But a simple tweek will turn a problem that happens to a team maybe 15 times per season into a problem that happens maybe 5 times per season.

Just pointing out that no matter how badly out of position a player is that it doesn't always hurt the team.

I don't think it happens to me anywhere near 15 times a season.   I'd like someone to show me an example of team that does have it happen that frequently.

I just checked my MG and Hamilton last full seasons.   Not one player played a full inning "out of position"(not listed under his secondary positions).   A pitcher played 0.2 innings in CF.    So even my C in LF was just an aberration. 

FYI, I only checked MG and Hamilton because they're NL teams and much more likely to PH thus leaving a shortage of players.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/26/2012 2:47:00 PM (view original):
FYI, I only checked MG and Hamilton because they're NL teams and much more likely to PH thus leaving a shortage of players.

Erroneous logic.  An NL team is more likely to only PH for the pitcher.

Also, using just you for a sample set is irrelevant due to not knowing your PH frequency settings or bench makeup. 

Decided to check my AL teams.

Nothing in Coop.
C/DH played 3 innings in CF in Mantle.  1 negative play, putout.
DH/C played 2 innings at SS in Mantle.  2 assists. 

That's 648 games over split between AL/NL and over 4 worlds.   5 2/3 innings, 1 bad result.   I'm sorry, if it's happnening to anyone once every 10-11 games, I'm going to assume they're doing something wrong. 

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