Wider Rotation/Platoon League suggested new rules Topic

Ok, we have been discussing ways to open the league up to a wider selection of  position players and pitchers, and yet keep the integrity of the theme of platooning and more than 3-man rotations. 

Here are some suggestions we can vote on based on some suggestions that have come up on the owners' message board:

Alternatives:

1) We keep the WHIP and OPS restrictions where they are now. But we eliminate the ERA restriction altogether and also the batting average max.  We leave the IP and PA restrictions as are. 

2) We up the WHIP restriction to 1.05 which allows us to more freely eliminate the ERA restriction and we increase IP allowable to say 240. We keep the OPS where it is, but get rid of the batting average restriction and up the PA limit slightly to say 525. 

3) We keep restrictions all where they are but eliminate the individual upper salary caps, while keeping the minimum ones that provide for real bench players. 

There can be other possibilities. But these are the first that come to mind to keep the game as we envisioned it but give us a wider selection and also some guys that can hit !


5/14/2012 8:26 AM
my only regret is that this league has too many of the same players.I would lower the cap to 80 million dollars.But also say that the teams can have just 2 players UNDER 1 million dollars and NO players under $500,000 to prevent owners from using 8 minimum salary guys.
5/14/2012 1:43 PM
One of the issues that has been brought up repeatedly has to do with players appearing on multiple teams. Let's just put that to rest as an issue. It is going to happen. No way around it.
   If we are going to have a salary infusion, it would be more helpful done earlier. At game 125, teams that are out of the race don't have enough tome for the extra money to make a difference. For guys in a tight race, like me, it could really affect the outcome, but I'd like to see the teams at the bottom have more of a chance to rise.
  Those of us who will return with a season's experience should have much less difficulty with fatigue next season. We should have a much better grasp of how many PAs and IPs we need. With pitching, it isn't completely a question of IPs, sometimes we need a few more bodies, to spread the workload around. 
   I would not object to lowering the cap, but I probably would not play at a higher cap. Our collective experiences in OLs notwithstanding, there is more diversity in lower caps. That is especially true of the pitching. While there are always a couple of Ps that stand out, the rest are a pretty diverse group in our league now. 
   
  
5/15/2012 8:16 AM
Thanks both of you jeff4noles and pfattkatt. Actually you both make some good points. Not sure if I can work them into a synthesis, since some of them seem to be mutually exclusive. But as soon as I finish a week of heavy grading of papers I will try to take a crack at it. I do see that 125th might be late after all - I didn't want the cash infusion too soon as it might have overturned what a good drafting and well-crafted team had accomplished, but again, worth thinking about how to do better. 

I agree that we need a little more diversity of players - that was one of the goals of the league after all. But 80 million seems low considering there are no AAA players, so you need to draft a bench. Again, let me get past a heavy work week and I will rethink and make some proposals. Thanks for useful comments both of you. 
5/15/2012 7:46 PM
I would prefer no cash infusion. $100m is plenty of money to construct a team with. One of the reasons fatigue us as much of an issue as it is has to do with the number of position players we have to draft to cover the season. We then draft extra innings trying to cover the pitching, but innings alone aren't enough, ya need bodies, too.
5/15/2012 7:57 PM
I think you are correct tht 80m is too low,but 100m may be too high.I still would like to see the 200-500 k guys gone.Could we try a 90M league and have only 1 player at 200k anda minimum of $1million per player and a maximum as we currently have?
5/16/2012 1:54 PM
I have been searching by all kinds of strange criteria, and I have to admit that no matter how I search, some very usable players show up. I have not had any serious fatigue issues, but I do have to juggle my lineup after every game. That isn't so bad. 
   My pitching hasn't given me any problems fatigue wise, but looking at the box scores, we can't all say that. With the present restrictions on PA and IP, fatigue issues are going to be a part of the league, and that actually is part of the charm of the league. I'd still like to see either/or raised. More PAs (600 max?) or more IPs (275max?). With the other statistical restrictions, we would still be in a very different place than most other leagues.
5/17/2012 2:19 PM
Good point pfattkatt. Maybe there is a middle road here of raising PA and IP slightly - 600 seems high to me but let's think about it. I will do some searches and see who and what comes up or gets excluded by various solutions, as I did when I first put the league together. I agree jeff4notes, that $100 million is high but you both have good points. Let me do some meditating about it and see what I can come up with to suggest in the next few days. 

I am not so sure that it is really necessary that the whole roster be platooned, but I wanted to encourage it. And I wanted  to force us all to find a different approach to rotations than the 3-man which has a built in, very artificially created advantage (I know, I know:it's a computer program so it's all artificial) .

I don't think anyone alive has ever seen: a full-season 3-man rotation by any MLB team in RL; a pitcher leading off; batting orders that instead of determining the number of at-bats or PAs are determined by them, so instead of baseball logic (OBP or base stealing batting first, best hitters third, sluggers fourth or whatever variation on that is typical) you find that all these phenomena are seen every day in OL leagues based on knowledge of how to deal with the fatigue or damping system in the SIM. 

I understand that we will all always have to deal with the reality of the SIM, including whenever there is an update (the only appropriate Italian word here is "magari !" - untranslatable, though perhaps in discussing an update the Arabic word "inshallah" - "God willing" - is more to the point). 

And it is a testament to the intelligence of players that they have learned how to use the system to win it. I suspect that Kasparov, had he enough time, might have been able to learn how to win not at chess with the computer that beat him, but how to win at "computer". 

And it isn't really different here. But we have found a way to make the rules that dominate in OL not apply, and to bring a lot more players into it. We have also been able, despite the difficulties pfattkatt brings up of fatigue, and which you clearly pfattkatt point out is part of the charm, to hold together rosters without AAA players all season to play a good game and have fun. 

What I have not figured out how to do however, is get the Left-handed half of my lineup to hit a baseball. 
5/18/2012 8:10 PM
Posted by reddtrain on 4/17/2012 12:44:00 PM (view original):
I knew I wanted to play in a homer-friendly park, so I keyed on HR/9. This is actually a far better pitching staff than I normally wind up with in OLs because I started with pitching (and I'm not one of those who generally grabs 3 300-inning guys).

My hitters are .289/.376/.485 with 222 homers and 124 (mostly unusable) steals. I've got 1460IP of 2.92 ERA / 1.11 WHIP / .232 OAV / 3.04 K/BB /  0.296 HR/9 - at a pretty extreme HR park. I fully expect this to be a futile attempt, but it's an attempt. I just hope my team doesn't flirt with the '62 Mets or something.
And, almost 100 games in, my pitching staff is almost the worst in the league.

2.92 ERA? Try 4.59
1.11 WHIP? 1.49
.232 OAV? .282
3.04 K/BB? 1.83
.296 HR/9? .570

Offense isn't much better: .289/.376/.485 has become .250/.321/.424
5/21/2012 1:43 PM
Hi everybody. Hope you are having a good Memorial Day holiday. I have a normal workday (or as close to normal as college professors get) here in Italy. 
 
I wanted to try to synthesize my conclusions after weeks of thinking about the best way to improve the regulations and restrictions for the Wider Rotation and Platoon League for a second season in case there is a critical mass of people who want it to continue. 
 
Here, based on what some of you have suggested or seemed to be trying to accomplish by other means, is what I have come up with:
 
 
Keep the $100 million salary cap. 
 
End the minimum PA/AB and IP levels, and push the maximums up to 550 for PAs and 250 for IP. 
 
End the minimum salary levels, but push the maximum salary levels up to $7 million for position players and $8 million for pitchers. 
 
End the maximum batting average and minimum ERA levels (in other words, any batting average or ERA is now allowed) but KEEP the OPS and WHIP restrictions where they are. Keep also the HR/9 restriction where it is. 
 
WW and trades still allowed within the parameters of the league theme.
 
Finally, and this might be the biggest innovation: 
 
No cash infusion later, but instead, at the start of the season you pick 6/4 average AAA (real names). These players ONLY would not be subject to the theme league restrictions.  BUT  -  teams may only bring up a maximum of 3 position players and 1 pitcher, or 2 position players and 2 pitchers out of those.  AND you cannot move them to your roster until game 110 (before the transaction deadline). 
 
What this means is: you play 110 games with players you drafted, but have chosen, wisely one hopes, 6 position players and 2 pitchers whom you can decide will be more useful than the players you have chosen after 110 games. You can bring up the 3/1 or 2/2 and the others have to remain. Now, you have around 10 games before the transaction deadline at that point to decide that you want to bring back the original draftees that you sent to AAA or instead to get the AAA remaining, sending back one or more of those you just called up. 
 
In other words, once the transaction deadline hits, you will still have a minimum of  3/1 or 2/2 AAA players and whatever originally drafted player you sent to AAA, and are stuck with the AAA you called up. From game 120 on, that is your final roster, either the original 25 leaving all the AAA in limbo as it were, or else the mix of no more than 3 position players and 1 pitcher or 2 position players and 2 pitchers that you called up from AAA, sending down of course an equivalent number of those who played the first 110 games with you.
 
I realize that this allows for some gaming. We will all be looking for people with 110 good games and with 52 good games in terms of PAs and IPs. But I don't it is such an exact science and in any case I think that this is even somewhat realistic as many RL baseball teams do send players down and bring players up between two-thirds and three-quarters of the way into the season.
 
Anyway, these are my solutions to expanding significantly the pool of players, creating greater possibilities of excellent hitters and pitchers playing in the league while still making it necessary to use a whole team of 25, since the maximums don't really allow for just 8 starters and 6 pitchers. The AAA rule does the work of the cash infusion in a less confusing, more realistic way I think. 
 
If everyone wants to express their view that is encouraged. But we can't write the rules one haphazard comment at a time. I would call for first, any of you who want to commit to a second year to first say so in the Theme League Forum set up for this league, and then to vote yes or no on these proposals. If there is a critical mass (say at least 10) who want to continue, let's do it, and if these pass with a simple majority of those they can be the rules. If you know you won't continue or don't think you know yet, I would say please do add your comments on these but not your vote for how it will work next season. 
 
If these don't pass, we can re-open the floor to other ideas, but these should be formulated in a comprehensive way as I have tried to do here, since one little piece means having to re-adjust the whole board and doing that by committee is hard. 
 
One last thing: I am letting all of my OL teams finish their seasons. Some with a shot at the post-season, others not. I won't create any more. I am not likely to join any other theme leagues, though I may make an exception for pfattkatt's new league. But the rest of my theme league teams, some not yet having started, will play out. 
 
I want to move into progressives as my main WIS activity. I find them already much more rewarding. I will keep this league up as long as enough of you or others want to join it, as a commitment to something I started. After the second season, if there is one, I will be happy to have other people run it instead of me if anyone wants to, and if not but there is still interest I will keep doing it. 
 
But I have found that a lot of the things that we have tried to do here, and that npjcajun and dhemry you, and others, have tried to accomplish with theme leagues, making rules to get more players that are either ordinary, and even part-time a chance to be on rosters and in lineups and bullpens and rotations, and more real stars who the $80 million salary cap leave out or who are overwhelmed by the advantage given by the SIM to anti-HR deadball era pitching, happens naturally and automatically in progressive leagues, along with other advantages like following the same team over time. 
 
So you want to see Carl Yasztremski, Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle ? Or you wish there were a place for Joe Pepitone, Rick Burleson, Luis Sojo, or Bernie Carbo ? 
 
They all play for years in progressives, and their performances are usually closer to what they did or what we would expect from real life. 
 
Just a point. 
 
Have a great holiday. 
 
italyprof
5/28/2012 8:24 AM (edited)
this is now no longer a platoon league with this criteria.Just another 100 million dollar league.sadly,i will pass upon further participation
5/28/2012 10:15 AM
Here are the first names that come up for Outfielders when you put in these criteria: 

  Positions (Fielding/Range/Catcher Arm)
    Player Team B PA
/162
HR AVG AB/
162
OPS SLG SO/
100
SB SPD SALARY C 1B 2B 3B SS OF
1 Baker, Dusty 1972 Atlanta Braves R 530 17 .321 470 .888 .504 15.25 4 75 $6,089,160 -- -- -- -- -- B+/A+
2 Piersall, Jim 1961 Cleveland Indians R 540 6 .322 488 .820 .442 9.50 8 77 $5,838,578 -- -- -- -- -- A/A+
3 Upton, B.J. 2007 Tampa Bay Devil Rays R 548 24 .300 474 .894 .508 32.49 22 86 $5,621,311 -- -- D/B- -- -- A-/B+
4 Blair, Paul 1970 Baltimore Orioles R 548 18 .267 480 .782 .438 19.38 24 91 $5,612,945 -- -- -- B/A+ -- A-/A+
5 Buford, Don 1968 Baltimore Orioles S 494 15 .282 426 .804 .437 10.80 27 86 $5,418,260 -- -- D+/D- D/D -- A+/B+
6 Kelley, Joe 1902 Cincinnati Reds R 504 2 .315 438 .842 .447 8.99 15 69 $5,391,292 -- B+/D+ D-/D- C/C- D-/D- B/B-
7 West, Sam 1937 St. Louis Browns L 533 7 .328 481 .862 .473 6.13 1 72 $5,363,041 -- -- -- -- -- A-/A
8 Gonzalez, Tony 1962 Philadelphia Phillies L 494 20 .302 440 .865 .494 18.76 17 89 $5,342,563 -- -- -- -- -- A+/A-
9 Hunter, Torii 2009 Anaheim Angels R 506 22 .299 451 .873 .508 20.40 18 82 $5,279,033 -- -- -- -- -- A/A
10 Delahanty, Ed 1892 Philadelphia Phillies R 548 6 .306 506 .855 .495 6.71 29 85 $5,258,884 -- -- -- D/B -- C/A
11 Phillips, Adolfo 1967 Chicago Cubs R 545 17 .268 451 .842 .458 20.76 24 91 $5,241,350 -- -- -- -- -- B-/A+
12 White, Roy 1969 New York Yankees S 547 7 .290 451 .818 .426 11.38 18 82 $5,221,263 -- -- -- -- -- A-/A-
13 Joshua, Von 1975 San Francisco Giants L 549 7 .318 511 .806 .448 14.79 20 91 $5,216,251 -- -- -- -- -- A/B
14 Piersall, Jim 1960 Cleveland Indians R 550 18 .282 512 .747 .434 7.82 18 89 $5,209,061 -- -- -- -- -- A/A+
15 Tucker, Thurman 1944 Chicago White Sox L 531 2 .287 470 .729 .361 8.97 13 88 $5,208,572 -- -- -- -- -- A/A+
  Positions (Fielding/Range/Catcher Arm)
    Player Team B PA
/162
HR AVG AB/
162
OPS SLG SO/
100
SB SPD SALARY C 1B 2B 3B SS OF
16 Lynn, Fred 1982 California Angels L 545 21 .299 472 .891 .517 15.25 7 80 $5,200,457 -- -- -- -- -- A-/B
17 Evers, Hoot 1949 Detroit Tigers R 535 7 .303 455 .831 .428 8.80 6 75 $5,172,833 -- -- -- -- -- A/A-
18 Dykstra, Lenny 1994 Philadelphia Phillies L 544 5 .273 444 .839 .435 13.97 15 88 $5,155,211 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
19 Williams, Cy 1916 Chicago Cubs L 513 12 .279 429 .831 .459 15.80 6 71 $5,153,232 -- -- -- -- -- A/A-
20 Haas, Mule 1931 Philadelphia Athletics L 522 8 .323 469 .841 .475 6.59 0 74 $5,121,933 -- -- -- -- -- A/A-
21 Oliver, Al 1976 Pittsburgh Pirates L 481 12 .323 443 .839 .476 6.55 6 75 $5,121,876 -- B/A+ -- -- -- B/A+
22 Foster, George 1975 Cincinnati Reds R 511 23 .300 463 .875 .518 15.77 2 67 $5,092,236 -- A+/B+ -- -- -- A-/B+
23 Griffin, Mike 1893 Brooklyn Bridegrooms L 543 6 .285 459 .827 .431 6.35 30 85 $5,086,571 -- -- D-/D- -- -- B/A
24 Maddox, Elliott 1974 New York Yankees R 550 3 .303 466 .781 .386 10.30 6 73 $5,082,938 -- -- D-/D- D/D+ -- B/A-
25 Lynn, Fred 1980 Boston Red Sox L 484 12 .301 421 .862 .480 9.40 12 78 $5,065,490 -- -- -- -- -- A/A
26 Singleton, Chris 1999 Chicago White Sox L 533 17 .300 500 .818 .490 9.07 20 89 $5,050,224 -- -- -- -- -- B+/A+
27 Kelley, Joe 1902 Baltimore Orioles R 504 2 .315 438 .842 .447 8.99 15 69 $4,979,325 -- B+/D+ D-/D- C/C- D-/D- B/B-
28 Surhoff, B.J. 1995 Milwaukee Brewers L 520 13 .320 467 .870 .492 10.36 7 63 $4,977,236 C/A/D B-/D- -- -- -- A/B-
29 Magee, Sherry 1911 Philadelphia Phillies R 548 15 .288 475 .849 .483 7.42 22 73 $4,964,287 -- -- -- -- -- B+/B+
30 Lange, Bill 1898 Chicago Orphans R 530 5 .319 478 .816 .439 9.28 22 78 $4,950,672 -- B/A+ -- -- -- B/A
5/28/2012 11:54 AM
Now looking at these players, we see that jeff4noles has a point: they are not exactly platoons. But though they would even qualify as full-timers, they do require considerable back up, In other words, you need a bench. But not a platoon. So it may be that I have set the new proposed PA level too high, and it is necessary only to remove the upper cap on batting average. Let's see what happens if we go to 500 PA again as a maximum but without the limits on average, keeping the SB limit to 40 as it has been all along and the OPS at .900 still: 
5/28/2012 11:57 AM
Now, what you will notice is that below, is that unless we raise the PA limit, we get exactly 4 new players available that we did not have before. Since everyone is working from the same database, and the same pool of players, this means that we will still likely have the same relatively homogeneous rosters. Eliminating the batting average does not get us a lot of players in other words, who hit over what was already a relatively generous level of .320. 




  Positions (Fielding/Range/Catcher Arm)
    Player Team B PA
/162
HR AVG AB/
162
OPS SLG SO/
100
SB SPD SALARY C 1B 2B 3B SS OF
1 Buford, Don 1968 Baltimore Orioles S 494 15 .282 426 .804 .437 10.80 27 86 $5,418,260 -- -- D+/D- D/D -- A+/B+
2 Gonzalez, Tony 1962 Philadelphia Phillies L 494 20 .302 440 .865 .494 18.76 17 89 $5,342,563 -- -- -- -- -- A+/A-
3 Oliver, Al 1976 Pittsburgh Pirates L 481 12 .323 443 .839 .476 6.55 6 75 $5,121,876 -- B/A+ -- -- -- B/A+
4 Lynn, Fred 1980 Boston Red Sox L 484 12 .301 421 .862 .480 9.40 12 78 $5,065,490 -- -- -- -- -- A/A
5 Pence, Hunter 2007 Houston Astros R 484 17 .322 456 .899 .539 20.83 11 84 $4,799,849 -- -- -- -- -- C+/A+
6 Taylor, Danny 1932 Chicago Cubs R 484 11 .319 439 .864 .489 10.07 14 84 $4,788,085 -- -- -- -- -- B/A
7 Taylor, Danny 1932 Brooklyn Dodgers R 484 11 .319 439 .864 .489 10.07 14 84 $4,788,085 -- -- -- -- -- B/A
8 O'Brien, Darby 1890 Brooklyn Bridegrooms R 485 2 .314 440 .824 .446 12.29 38 90 $4,741,679 -- -- -- -- -- B/A-
9 Fogarty, Jim 1886 Philadelphia Quakers R 458 3 .293 398 .792 .407 5.71 30 80 $4,721,983 -- -- D/C D/C- D-/D- B/A-
10 Becker, Beals 1913 Cincinnati Reds L 476 9 .316 439 .862 .502 10.14 11 71 $4,714,294 -- A-/B- -- -- -- B/B+
11 Becker, Beals 1913 Philadelphia Phillies L 476 9 .316 439 .862 .502 10.14 11 71 $4,714,294 -- A-/B- -- -- -- B/B+
12 McCutchen, Andrew 2009 Pittsburgh Pirates R 496 12 .286 435 .836 .471 19.17 22 90 $4,683,864 -- -- -- -- -- A/B+
13 Taylor, Danny 1932 Brooklyn Dodgers R 458 11 .324 416 .876 .499 10.38 13 84 $4,654,979 -- -- -- -- -- B/A
14 Jones, Ruppert 1982 San Diego Padres L 493 12 .283 424 .798 .425 21.23 18 90 $4,621,566 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
15 White, Rondell 1998 Montreal Expos R 397 17 .300 357 .875 .513 15.97 16 89 $4,487,427 -- -- -- -- -- A/A+
  Positions (Fielding/Range/Catcher Arm)
    Player Team B PA
/162
HR AVG AB/
162
OPS SLG SO/
100
SB SPD SALARY C 1B 2B 3B SS OF
16 Henderson, Dave 1990 Oakland Athletics R 494 20 .271 450 .797 .467 23.33 3 71 $4,434,266 -- -- -- -- -- B+/A+
17 Matos, Luis 2003 Baltimore Orioles R 486 13 .303 439 .811 .458 20.50 15 87 $4,427,044 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
18 Berry, Ken 1972 California Angels R 480 5 .289 428 .723 .377 11.49 5 75 $4,421,726 -- -- -- -- -- A+/A-
19 Parent, Freddy 1907 Boston Americans R 493 1 .276 445 .676 .355 9.05 12 65 $4,420,524 -- -- D-/D- D/A- D+/A- B+/A+
20 Monday, Rick 1970 Oakland Athletics L 442 10 .290 376 .844 .457 26.33 17 92 $4,411,675 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
21 Gladden, Dan 1984 San Francisco Giants R 384 4 .351 342 .857 .447 10.82 31 94 $4,404,773 -- -- -- -- -- B+/A-
22 Woodling, Gene 1952 New York Yankees L 496 12 .309 430 .870 .473 7.60 1 69 $4,401,728 -- -- -- -- -- A/C
23 Bourn, Michael 2011 Houston Astros L 473 1 .303 429 .766 .403 20.98 39 95 $4,364,532 -- -- -- -- -- A/B+
24 Lemon, Chet 1978 Chicago White Sox R 419 13 .300 360 .887 .510 12.89 5 80 $4,361,444 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
25 Roenicke, Gary 1982 Baltimore Orioles R 477 21 .270 393 .891 .499 18.58 6 71 $4,329,699 -- A+/B- -- -- -- A-/B
26 Unser, Del 1973 Philadelphia Phillies L 498 11 .289 440 .781 .427 12.50 5 79 $4,310,966 -- -- -- -- -- B+/A-
27 McBride, Bake 1975 St. Louis Cardinals L 455 5 .300 413 .758 .404 12.59 26 95 $4,307,122 -- -- -- -- -- A-/A
28 Lynn, Fred 1983 California Angels L 500 22 .272 437 .835 .483 18.99 2 72 $4,304,816 -- -- -- -- -- A/B
29 West, Sam 1930 Washington Senators L 482 6 .328 433 .860 .474 8.27 5 79 $4,275,573 -- -- -- -- -- C+/A
30 Dykstra, Lenny 1986 New York Mets L 498 8 .295 431 .822 .445 12.76 31 93 $4,247,168 -- -- -- -- -- A-/C+
  Positions (Fielding/Range/Catcher Arm)
    Player Team B PA
/162
HR AVG AB/
162
OPS SLG SO/
100
SB SPD SALARY C 1B 2B 3B SS OF
31 Washington, Claudell 1988 New York Yankees L 489 11 .308 458 .784 .442 16.26 15 86 $4,233,912 -- -- -- -- -- B/A-
32 Maddox, Garry 1975 Philadelphia Phillies R 478 5 .272 426 .750 .406 13.38 25 93 $4,217,357 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
33 Maddox, Garry 1975 San Francisco Giants R 478 5 .272 426 .750 .406 13.38 25 93 $4,217,357 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
34 Medwick, Joe 1940 Brooklyn Dodgers R 479 14 .300 448 .844 .499 6.62 2 70 $4,208,377 -- -- -- -- -- B/B+
35 Beaumont, Ginger 1905 Pittsburgh Pirates L 445 3 .328 407 .789 .424 9.11 21 80 $4,200,103 -- -- -- -- -- B/A-
36 Kelly, Roberto 1989 New York Yankees R 500 9 .302 444 .786 .417 20.18 35 93 $4,149,736 -- -- -- -- -- B/B
37 Moore, Johnny 1932 Chicago Cubs L 500 13 .305 467 .811 .470 8.58 4 72 $4,136,929 -- -- -- -- -- B/B+
38 Webster, Mitch 1990 Cleveland Indians S 477 12 .252 437 .693 .407 13.96 22 92 $4,135,185 -- A+/A+ -- -- -- A-/A
39 Robinson, Floyd 1961 Chicago White Sox L 492 11 .310 432 .854 .465 7.41 7 68 $4,130,735 -- -- -- -- -- A/C
40 Butler, Brett 1995 New York Mets L 471 1 .311 413 .773 .392 11.44 21 93 $4,122,852 -- -- -- -- -- A/B
41 Sanders, Reggie 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks R 496 33 .263 441 .886 .549 28.57 14 82 $4,106,783 -- -- -- -- -- A/C
42 Snodgrass, Fred 1914 New York Giants R 469 0 .263 413 .670 .334 10.97 25 76 $4,098,593 -- A/A+ D-/D- D/D+ -- B/A-
43 Miller, Rick 1979 California Angels L 488 2 .293 427 .733 .365 16.16 5 76 $4,097,406 -- -- -- -- -- B+/A+
44 Reiser, Pete 1947 Brooklyn Dodgers L 486 5 .309 409 .832 .418 10.57 14 85 $4,082,866 -- -- -- -- -- B+/C+
45 Davis, Kiddo 1934 Philadelphia Phillies R 461 3 .293 428 .743 .405 7.12 1 73 $4,078,402 -- -- -- -- -- A-/A+
  Positions (Fielding/Range/Catcher Arm)
    Player Team B PA
/162
HR AVG AB/
162
OPS SLG SO/
100
SB SPD SALARY C 1B 2B 3B SS OF
46 Agee, Tommie 1971 New York Mets R 482 14 .285 425 .790 .428 19.76 28 87 $4,077,736 -- -- -- -- -- C+/A
47 Mumphrey, Jerry 1983 Houston Astros S 469 8 .288 410 .789 .427 13.66 7 78 $4,072,401 -- -- -- -- -- B/A
48 McCosky, Barney 1946 Detroit Tigers L 496 2 .318 420 .816 .409 5.51 2 72 $4,071,859 -- -- -- -- -- C+/B
49 McCosky, Barney 1946 Philadelphia Athletics L 496 2 .318 420 .816 .409 5.51 2 72 $4,071,859 -- -- -- -- -- C+/B
50 Thomas, Roy 1908 Pittsburgh Pirates L 499 1 .251 432 .675 .334 8.78 11 74 $4,065,098 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
 
5/28/2012 12:02 PM
Now, what you will notice is that below, is that unless we raise the PA limit, we get exactly 4 new players available that we did not have before. Since everyone is working from the same database, and the same pool of players, this means that we will still likely have the same relatively homogeneous rosters. Eliminating the batting average does not get us a lot of players in other words, who hit over what was already a relatively generous level of .320. 




  Positions (Fielding/Range/Catcher Arm)
    Player Team B PA
/162
HR AVG AB/
162
OPS SLG SO/
100
SB SPD SALARY C 1B 2B 3B SS OF
1 Buford, Don 1968 Baltimore Orioles S 494 15 .282 426 .804 .437 10.80 27 86 $5,418,260 -- -- D+/D- D/D -- A+/B+
2 Gonzalez, Tony 1962 Philadelphia Phillies L 494 20 .302 440 .865 .494 18.76 17 89 $5,342,563 -- -- -- -- -- A+/A-
3 Oliver, Al 1976 Pittsburgh Pirates L 481 12 .323 443 .839 .476 6.55 6 75 $5,121,876 -- B/A+ -- -- -- B/A+
4 Lynn, Fred 1980 Boston Red Sox L 484 12 .301 421 .862 .480 9.40 12 78 $5,065,490 -- -- -- -- -- A/A
5 Pence, Hunter 2007 Houston Astros R 484 17 .322 456 .899 .539 20.83 11 84 $4,799,849 -- -- -- -- -- C+/A+
6 Taylor, Danny 1932 Chicago Cubs R 484 11 .319 439 .864 .489 10.07 14 84 $4,788,085 -- -- -- -- -- B/A
7 Taylor, Danny 1932 Brooklyn Dodgers R 484 11 .319 439 .864 .489 10.07 14 84 $4,788,085 -- -- -- -- -- B/A
8 O'Brien, Darby 1890 Brooklyn Bridegrooms R 485 2 .314 440 .824 .446 12.29 38 90 $4,741,679 -- -- -- -- -- B/A-
9 Fogarty, Jim 1886 Philadelphia Quakers R 458 3 .293 398 .792 .407 5.71 30 80 $4,721,983 -- -- D/C D/C- D-/D- B/A-
10 Becker, Beals 1913 Cincinnati Reds L 476 9 .316 439 .862 .502 10.14 11 71 $4,714,294 -- A-/B- -- -- -- B/B+
11 Becker, Beals 1913 Philadelphia Phillies L 476 9 .316 439 .862 .502 10.14 11 71 $4,714,294 -- A-/B- -- -- -- B/B+
12 McCutchen, Andrew 2009 Pittsburgh Pirates R 496 12 .286 435 .836 .471 19.17 22 90 $4,683,864 -- -- -- -- -- A/B+
13 Taylor, Danny 1932 Brooklyn Dodgers R 458 11 .324 416 .876 .499 10.38 13 84 $4,654,979 -- -- -- -- -- B/A
14 Jones, Ruppert 1982 San Diego Padres L 493 12 .283 424 .798 .425 21.23 18 90 $4,621,566 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
15 White, Rondell 1998 Montreal Expos R 397 17 .300 357 .875 .513 15.97 16 89 $4,487,427 -- -- -- -- -- A/A+
  Positions (Fielding/Range/Catcher Arm)
    Player Team B PA
/162
HR AVG AB/
162
OPS SLG SO/
100
SB SPD SALARY C 1B 2B 3B SS OF
16 Henderson, Dave 1990 Oakland Athletics R 494 20 .271 450 .797 .467 23.33 3 71 $4,434,266 -- -- -- -- -- B+/A+
17 Matos, Luis 2003 Baltimore Orioles R 486 13 .303 439 .811 .458 20.50 15 87 $4,427,044 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
18 Berry, Ken 1972 California Angels R 480 5 .289 428 .723 .377 11.49 5 75 $4,421,726 -- -- -- -- -- A+/A-
19 Parent, Freddy 1907 Boston Americans R 493 1 .276 445 .676 .355 9.05 12 65 $4,420,524 -- -- D-/D- D/A- D+/A- B+/A+
20 Monday, Rick 1970 Oakland Athletics L 442 10 .290 376 .844 .457 26.33 17 92 $4,411,675 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
21 Gladden, Dan 1984 San Francisco Giants R 384 4 .351 342 .857 .447 10.82 31 94 $4,404,773 -- -- -- -- -- B+/A-
22 Woodling, Gene 1952 New York Yankees L 496 12 .309 430 .870 .473 7.60 1 69 $4,401,728 -- -- -- -- -- A/C
23 Bourn, Michael 2011 Houston Astros L 473 1 .303 429 .766 .403 20.98 39 95 $4,364,532 -- -- -- -- -- A/B+
24 Lemon, Chet 1978 Chicago White Sox R 419 13 .300 360 .887 .510 12.89 5 80 $4,361,444 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
25 Roenicke, Gary 1982 Baltimore Orioles R 477 21 .270 393 .891 .499 18.58 6 71 $4,329,699 -- A+/B- -- -- -- A-/B
26 Unser, Del 1973 Philadelphia Phillies L 498 11 .289 440 .781 .427 12.50 5 79 $4,310,966 -- -- -- -- -- B+/A-
27 McBride, Bake 1975 St. Louis Cardinals L 455 5 .300 413 .758 .404 12.59 26 95 $4,307,122 -- -- -- -- -- A-/A
28 Lynn, Fred 1983 California Angels L 500 22 .272 437 .835 .483 18.99 2 72 $4,304,816 -- -- -- -- -- A/B
29 West, Sam 1930 Washington Senators L 482 6 .328 433 .860 .474 8.27 5 79 $4,275,573 -- -- -- -- -- C+/A
30 Dykstra, Lenny 1986 New York Mets L 498 8 .295 431 .822 .445 12.76 31 93 $4,247,168 -- -- -- -- -- A-/C+
  Positions (Fielding/Range/Catcher Arm)
    Player Team B PA
/162
HR AVG AB/
162
OPS SLG SO/
100
SB SPD SALARY C 1B 2B 3B SS OF
31 Washington, Claudell 1988 New York Yankees L 489 11 .308 458 .784 .442 16.26 15 86 $4,233,912 -- -- -- -- -- B/A-
32 Maddox, Garry 1975 Philadelphia Phillies R 478 5 .272 426 .750 .406 13.38 25 93 $4,217,357 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
33 Maddox, Garry 1975 San Francisco Giants R 478 5 .272 426 .750 .406 13.38 25 93 $4,217,357 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
34 Medwick, Joe 1940 Brooklyn Dodgers R 479 14 .300 448 .844 .499 6.62 2 70 $4,208,377 -- -- -- -- -- B/B+
35 Beaumont, Ginger 1905 Pittsburgh Pirates L 445 3 .328 407 .789 .424 9.11 21 80 $4,200,103 -- -- -- -- -- B/A-
36 Kelly, Roberto 1989 New York Yankees R 500 9 .302 444 .786 .417 20.18 35 93 $4,149,736 -- -- -- -- -- B/B
37 Moore, Johnny 1932 Chicago Cubs L 500 13 .305 467 .811 .470 8.58 4 72 $4,136,929 -- -- -- -- -- B/B+
38 Webster, Mitch 1990 Cleveland Indians S 477 12 .252 437 .693 .407 13.96 22 92 $4,135,185 -- A+/A+ -- -- -- A-/A
39 Robinson, Floyd 1961 Chicago White Sox L 492 11 .310 432 .854 .465 7.41 7 68 $4,130,735 -- -- -- -- -- A/C
40 Butler, Brett 1995 New York Mets L 471 1 .311 413 .773 .392 11.44 21 93 $4,122,852 -- -- -- -- -- A/B
41 Sanders, Reggie 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks R 496 33 .263 441 .886 .549 28.57 14 82 $4,106,783 -- -- -- -- -- A/C
42 Snodgrass, Fred 1914 New York Giants R 469 0 .263 413 .670 .334 10.97 25 76 $4,098,593 -- A/A+ D-/D- D/D+ -- B/A-
43 Miller, Rick 1979 California Angels L 488 2 .293 427 .733 .365 16.16 5 76 $4,097,406 -- -- -- -- -- B+/A+
44 Reiser, Pete 1947 Brooklyn Dodgers L 486 5 .309 409 .832 .418 10.57 14 85 $4,082,866 -- -- -- -- -- B+/C+
45 Davis, Kiddo 1934 Philadelphia Phillies R 461 3 .293 428 .743 .405 7.12 1 73 $4,078,402 -- -- -- -- -- A-/A+
  Positions (Fielding/Range/Catcher Arm)
    Player Team B PA
/162
HR AVG AB/
162
OPS SLG SO/
100
SB SPD SALARY C 1B 2B 3B SS OF
46 Agee, Tommie 1971 New York Mets R 482 14 .285 425 .790 .428 19.76 28 87 $4,077,736 -- -- -- -- -- C+/A
47 Mumphrey, Jerry 1983 Houston Astros S 469 8 .288 410 .789 .427 13.66 7 78 $4,072,401 -- -- -- -- -- B/A
48 McCosky, Barney 1946 Detroit Tigers L 496 2 .318 420 .816 .409 5.51 2 72 $4,071,859 -- -- -- -- -- C+/B
49 McCosky, Barney 1946 Philadelphia Athletics L 496 2 .318 420 .816 .409 5.51 2 72 $4,071,859 -- -- -- -- -- C+/B
50 Thomas, Roy 1908 Pittsburgh Pirates L 499 1 .251 432 .675 .334 8.78 11 74 $4,065,098 -- -- -- -- -- B/A+
 
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