If I hadn't engaged in that d2 fiasco, it would have meant +2CV but one less HV... Might have been the difference.

jck, the other factor is, that looking at your resume, I bet you are just barely a B+. That definitely played a role. A high B+ and you would've won (clearly, since the battle was so close). So I'm betting that the two teams were very close to being about 1/3 of a grade apart.

This is a post that deserves a different thread, but there are enough of those already inquiring about the job selection process.  No offense intended to Jck, he just happens to have the resume that I looked at.

We hear all the time about coaches not qualifying for jobs that they probably deserve, but what about when the role is reversed?  Again, nothing against Jck, he didn't do anything that the system didn't allow, but how does a coach who had only won one NT game in 30 seasons, at ANY level, qualify for a BCS job?  Really, any D1 job for that matter? 

I'm wondering why you used any HVs at all.  

After ~500 career wins in a given world, the jobs engine rewards longevity and career wins much moreso than if you only have 200 wins.  Doors that wouldn't be open at 200 wins are easily opened at 500+ wins

Posted by dacj501 on 4/28/2012 10:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kmasonbx on 4/28/2012 10:37:00 PM (view original):
The fact that he spent slightly more money than you and actually has a big distance advantage means he had way more effort, no surprise you lost.

no offense mason, but with the prestige difference it shouldn't be way more effort should it?

I wasn't talking about effective effort, I was talking about actual effort. It's irrelevant to mention the amount of money spent, when there is a significant distance advantage, because the monetary effort is basically meaningless in those battles. At 65k, the school at 350 miles could do roughly 145 HVs while the school at 390 can only do roughly 85, that was what I was pointing out. Now of course anybody with recruiting experince will be using CVs as their main recruiting tool at the 390 mile distance, which would then allow to do about 50CVs and depending on estimates is equal to 100-125 HVs, which makes it much closer especially with prestige. But I feel people severely overrate prestige at the D1 level and the gap isn't nearly as big as some believe, and 2/3 letter grade could be as small as a 15% advantage.

Posted by emy1013 on 4/29/2012 2:30:00 PM (view original):
This is a post that deserves a different thread, but there are enough of those already inquiring about the job selection process.  No offense intended to Jck, he just happens to have the resume that I looked at.

We hear all the time about coaches not qualifying for jobs that they probably deserve, but what about when the role is reversed?  Again, nothing against Jck, he didn't do anything that the system didn't allow, but how does a coach who had only won one NT game in 30 seasons, at ANY level, qualify for a BCS job?  Really, any D1 job for that matter? 

How many do you think should be won?

Posted by maz621 on 4/29/2012 5:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 4/29/2012 2:30:00 PM (view original):
This is a post that deserves a different thread, but there are enough of those already inquiring about the job selection process.  No offense intended to Jck, he just happens to have the resume that I looked at.

We hear all the time about coaches not qualifying for jobs that they probably deserve, but what about when the role is reversed?  Again, nothing against Jck, he didn't do anything that the system didn't allow, but how does a coach who had only won one NT game in 30 seasons, at ANY level, qualify for a BCS job?  Really, any D1 job for that matter? 

How many do you think should be won?

I can't tell whether this is a serious question or a sarcastic one, but I would think that winning more than a single NT game in 30 seasons shouldn't be too much to ask to be hired at a BCS-level school.  The resume that I'm speaking about has won one NT game.  Not one NT game at a lower-level D1 school, one NT game TOTAL (that's D3, D2, AND low-level D1).

As Jdno posted earlier, longevity is taken into consideration for different job openings and that's fine.  But getting to and winning NT games should count just as much, if not more.  Why?  Because anyone can rack up a large number of wins if they play in mostly Sim-filled conferences and stay there for several seasons (not saying that happened in this case, just an example).  Winning a few NT games along the way shows the ability to compete against and beat the better teams in a given world.  How many do I think it should be?  No set answer really, I think it should be at least partially based on the BCS school to which the coach is applying.

Posted by emy1013 on 4/29/2012 2:30:00 PM (view original):
This is a post that deserves a different thread, but there are enough of those already inquiring about the job selection process.  No offense intended to Jck, he just happens to have the resume that I looked at.

We hear all the time about coaches not qualifying for jobs that they probably deserve, but what about when the role is reversed?  Again, nothing against Jck, he didn't do anything that the system didn't allow, but how does a coach who had only won one NT game in 30 seasons, at ANY level, qualify for a BCS job?  Really, any D1 job for that matter? 

As you said -- different thread, but I couldn't agree more.

Longevity is nice, but you should really have to do something more significant then just hang around to get a BCS job.

Posted by emy1013 on 4/29/2012 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by maz621 on 4/29/2012 5:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 4/29/2012 2:30:00 PM (view original):
This is a post that deserves a different thread, but there are enough of those already inquiring about the job selection process.  No offense intended to Jck, he just happens to have the resume that I looked at.

We hear all the time about coaches not qualifying for jobs that they probably deserve, but what about when the role is reversed?  Again, nothing against Jck, he didn't do anything that the system didn't allow, but how does a coach who had only won one NT game in 30 seasons, at ANY level, qualify for a BCS job?  Really, any D1 job for that matter? 

How many do you think should be won?

I can't tell whether this is a serious question or a sarcastic one, but I would think that winning more than a single NT game in 30 seasons shouldn't be too much to ask to be hired at a BCS-level school.  The resume that I'm speaking about has won one NT game.  Not one NT game at a lower-level D1 school, one NT game TOTAL (that's D3, D2, AND low-level D1).

As Jdno posted earlier, longevity is taken into consideration for different job openings and that's fine.  But getting to and winning NT games should count just as much, if not more.  Why?  Because anyone can rack up a large number of wins if they play in mostly Sim-filled conferences and stay there for several seasons (not saying that happened in this case, just an example).  Winning a few NT games along the way shows the ability to compete against and beat the better teams in a given world.  How many do I think it should be?  No set answer really, I think it should be at least partially based on the BCS school to which the coach is applying.

Was a serious question. Just got my first BCS job and don't have a very impressive resume

No offense to maz but it's ridiculous to me that he got a BCS job and I wasn't even considered a longshot for Memphis in Phelan, much less a BCS job. Not that I necessarily deserve it, but still.

well maz does have 300 wins, so that may be a threshold of importance to the jobs engine.  Also, TTech is a C prestige right now, so it's a turnaround.  Memphis is a B-, and you have less than 300 wins (if that makes a difference).  I don't think the situation you're describing is that big of a difference at all in this case.  Also, I'm not saying I agree with the longevity bonus that seems to be in place for jobs, but it's the reality.

I just assumed it was because my team was a C+ and TT was C. If it makes you feel any better pj you have taken all the recruits I was looking at in Phelan

jck - really helps if you list out, on both sides, the factors, in a short summary, like
10 campus visits
5 home visits
start + 20
b- prestige

vs

....


just saying, coming into this late, hard to read 15 posts and try to piece together exactly what it was.

anyway, i agree with the general consensus, that you are over valuing prestige and also that you didn't have a true 2/3rds of a grade.

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/30/2012 2:54:00 PM (view original):
jck - really helps if you list out, on both sides, the factors, in a short summary, like
10 campus visits
5 home visits
start + 20
b- prestige

vs

....


just saying, coming into this late, hard to read 15 posts and try to piece together exactly what it was.

anyway, i agree with the general consensus, that you are over valuing prestige and also that you didn't have a true 2/3rds of a grade.

This is what I gathered.

jck:
45 CV
8 HV
Promised Start
20min PT.

Other coach:
45 CV
40+ HV
Promised Start
25min PT.

The 32+ HV differential is huge.