Posted by milwood on 2/24/2014 3:01:00 PM (view original):
I have a player on my VUU roster with a b- iq in motion. He is a senior now, but I run flex and have never practiced motion. He is an international player, if that matters at all

I have a guy that came in as a b- this season I run triangle he had it in flex maybe?

The way it is right now, going to A+ in the game is virtually certain given practice time

For what it's worth, it's actually not virtually certain for all players.  One, low-GPA players often never get to A+.  Two, there are diminishing returns from adding practice time at a certain point.

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/24/2014 3:56:00 PM (view original):
LOL now he says it...where was this a week ago when everyone was attacking me for saying that IQ was all wrong? 

I'm hoping you'll say you were out of the country or something.

You know, this just isnt helpful.  I tried to start a thread on which there could be discussion away from the invective.  Do you need to take this approach?  Must you try to start a fight rather than a discussion?

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/24/2014 3:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wildcat98 on 2/24/2014 3:16:00 PM (view original):
I think IQ is a good concept as well. But I'm with the OP on this. In the real world, some Freshmen come in ready to be superstars right away. And it's not JUST the 1-and-doners either. Look at a guy like K-State's Marcus Foster. He's already KSU's best player, and would probably be the equivalent of a "B" IQ in Bruce Weber's motion offense.

Most FR would be a B at this point in the season if they've been playing significant minutes.

It's just not that hard to learn most systems in basketball. In part, that's by design -- it doesn't do a coach any good to have a system he can't teach to players such that he can get the best use out of the most resources.

etta - are you talking about B on a real life scale at the end of the season?  I dont know how to calibrate HD IQ vs any of our individual senses of real life college hoops IQ

Would you agree that having some chunk - like the 10% that I suggest - of FR arrive at B would be useful?

My guys don't always get to A+ but it is because I only do 20 minutes.

I definitely like the idea of sprinkling in some higher IQ FR at low percentages.  Seems like that would be extremely easy to do and would add some more depth to the game.

while the real life equivalent of HD's "IQ" probably does function differently, the version we have as it is now allows steady growth for most players and another way for coaches to differentiate their teams from each other in development. Having the slower initial growth rate may not be completely realistic, but it has been mentioned often that in order for the game to have some features 100% realism is sometimes neither required nor beneficial.

As to if some recruits could/should start with higher ratings, or perhaps even faster or slower growth rates, those are areas I don't really have any particular preference.

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/24/2014 5:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmax on 2/24/2014 4:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/24/2014 3:56:00 PM (view original):
LOL now he says it...where was this a week ago when everyone was attacking me for saying that IQ was all wrong? 

I'm hoping you'll say you were out of the country or something.

You know, this just isnt helpful.  I tried to start a thread on which there could be discussion away from the invective.  Do you need to take this approach?  Must you try to start a fight rather than a discussion?

There's no invective here. This is neither insulting nor abusive. I was simply expressing disappointment that the person didn't speak up sooner when it was open season on me for saying the same thing.

You're the one trying to start the fight by referring to a perfectly legitimate post in such a way.

I would urge you to cease attempting to hijack this useful thread. That's what's not helpful.

I won't be responding to your other post because I don't want to make a post that might be seen as invective, but suffice it to say that you've completely gotten what I said wrong. Hopefully someone else did better. 

You're quite a piece of work. You make a clearly inciting post, then try to turn it around when called on it. Look in the mirror.

Posted by dacj501 on 2/24/2014 5:09:00 PM (view original):
while the real life equivalent of HD's "IQ" probably does function differently, the version we have as it is now allows steady growth for most players and another way for coaches to differentiate their teams from each other in development. Having the slower initial growth rate may not be completely realistic, but it has been mentioned often that in order for the game to have some features 100% realism is sometimes neither required nor beneficial.

As to if some recruits could/should start with higher ratings, or perhaps even faster or slower growth rates, those are areas I don't really have any particular preference.

What do you think about setting "IQ" as an actual number (like ATH) and O/D knowledge base separate from that?

I have no objections...of course nothing will really happen, or probably not for a long time anyway, so its theoretical really. Simplest change to get instituted would be a slight increase on the upper cap for recruits.

Fwiw, I don't think iq is implemented perfectly. There should be more freshman coming into college with a b range iq. It is true that these freshman are not always very useful but, outside of high DI, the players ratings usually aren't that ueful and will be better by junior year both because their ratings have improved and their IQs have improved.

Freshman can absolutely have an impact on a team. Can five freshman in a starting lineup be effective, probably not. Does iq perfectly reflect real life basketball, almost certainly not. Is it better for game play (although it is a simulation it still involves game play) I think so. Just because a player is familiar with the offense or defense does not mean they will never be. In the wrong place. I think iq does a decent job of reflecting this.

Every year there is a team of mostly upperclassmen in the NT (real life) that does well against a much more talented but younger team. Isn't this attributed to iq?

Coaches have the ability to assign minutes to team offense and defense practice. If this is your priority put more time into it. Seeing a player come in as an F sucks but it shouldn't be looked at as 0 knowledge of the system. And also that F grade lasts literally one exhibition game, two if the guy is a complete moron.

Sure iq could be improved, but I think the best improvement would be for some freshman entering college with higher starting IQs, not implementing a system to increase the rate of improvement

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/24/2014 5:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmax on 2/24/2014 4:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/24/2014 3:56:00 PM (view original):
LOL now he says it...where was this a week ago when everyone was attacking me for saying that IQ was all wrong? 

I'm hoping you'll say you were out of the country or something.

You know, this just isnt helpful.  I tried to start a thread on which there could be discussion away from the invective.  Do you need to take this approach?  Must you try to start a fight rather than a discussion?

There's no invective here. This is neither insulting nor abusive. I was simply expressing disappointment that the person didn't speak up sooner when it was open season on me for saying the same thing.

You're the one trying to start the fight by referring to a perfectly legitimate post in such a way.

I would urge you to cease attempting to hijack this useful thread. That's what's not helpful.

I won't be responding to your other post because I don't want to make a post that might be seen as invective, but suffice it to say that you've completely gotten what I said wrong. Hopefully someone else did better. 

er, I started this useful thread

you choose to talk about past attacks against and by you

I would be grateful if you allowed the thread to focus on discussion of the topic and not discussion of any attacks in any other thread

gang lets not discuss other threads or personal issues between posters - lets talk how IQ could be better - maybe in small ways that COULD happen without big engine changes