I like the changes. I was strongly opposed to player roles when it was added because I thought/still think it was worthless as it was structured when it was added. This is more of a window dressing change but it fun to look at and is a step towards being able to incorporate it with recruiting. Great to see moves in the right direction.

Posted by hughesjr on 4/30/2014 4:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jtt8355 on 4/29/2014 10:57:00 PM (view original):
won't be useful unless and until we can redesignate our players to the positions we want, rather than the positions they 'played in high school'. the problem i'm having is that i have some (listed) pg's playing pg, some playing sg and one playing small forward. in order to fit the players into the ratings i want, i'd have to switch the player role thrice to appreciate the settings. too much work for me. as an aside, same issue with pf and c.

You can actually go to the player role page and click on a role .. Then all players are sorted at the bottom of the page by that role regardless of position.

That doesn't address my issue. I want to see the players that I play at pg with my pg player role formula, not necessarily the player(s) listed as pg; I want to see the players that I play at sg with my sg player role formula, not necessarily the player(s) listed as sg; etc.

In terms of recruiting this feature would have been great pre-potential. But at d3, d2 and lower level d1 (the only places I have teams) the players that rate highest on the player role scale often have no potential and are unrecruitable. The diamonds in the rough who are littered with blue ratings may show up as terrible on a player role algorithm scale, causing a coach to miss out on the talent they were looking for.

Posted by jtt8355 on 4/30/2014 8:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 4/30/2014 4:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jtt8355 on 4/29/2014 10:57:00 PM (view original):
won't be useful unless and until we can redesignate our players to the positions we want, rather than the positions they 'played in high school'. the problem i'm having is that i have some (listed) pg's playing pg, some playing sg and one playing small forward. in order to fit the players into the ratings i want, i'd have to switch the player role thrice to appreciate the settings. too much work for me. as an aside, same issue with pf and c.

You can actually go to the player role page and click on a role .. Then all players are sorted at the bottom of the page by that role regardless of position.

That doesn't address my issue. I want to see the players that I play at pg with my pg player role formula, not necessarily the player(s) listed as pg; I want to see the players that I play at sg with my sg player role formula, not necessarily the player(s) listed as sg; etc.

I'm sorry, I don't understand - to me it looks like you are saying that in order to compare all your players to the PRR values you create for each position that you will have to select the input from each of these positions to view the output, which is pretty much the idea I think. It might not be implemented in this new PRR display thing like that, I don't know - I haven't looked at it, but you can do what you are asking by doing what hughesjr said I think  - unless I am confused (not an insignificant possibility)

Posted by jtt8355 on 4/30/2014 8:13:00 AM (view original):
In terms of recruiting this feature would have been great pre-potential. But at d3, d2 and lower level d1 (the only places I have teams) the players that rate highest on the player role scale often have no potential and are unrecruitable. The diamonds in the rough who are littered with blue ratings may show up as terrible on a player role algorithm scale, causing a coach to miss out on the talent they were looking for.

should be easy enough to emulate yatzr's tool and allow users to input their values for potential categories as well and project maximum growth by potential for scouted recruits (which won't likely be modified by high or low WE, but maybe it would - it doesn't on yatzr's tool)

ok, I see what you are saying now, and what you suggest would make sense for this feature. I think it would break the draft and awards and other stuff probably.

You can do what you are asking for the old way by going to coaching > player roles, then clicking the link to the right to edit any of the roles -  the display at the bottom of the page shows you all players by that PRR formula. You do have to click edit on each of the 5 different positions to see the PPR for all of them for everyone, but it is at least possible. 

I think jtt has a point, but I'd rather coding effort went to some other issue (e.g. D1 jobs/firing logic and creating a check-the-box preset to send everyone on the recruiting summary a coach-call in the first cycle).  On the other hand, it would be really nice to have listed position automatically change after, for instance, 20 starts at a given position.  That would make the end-of-season awards make a little more sense.  However, not being a writer of code, I expect that would take a lot of time away from fixes to the engine that might be really be nice (like: when ahead in the last minute, substitute in better free-throw shooters!).

I'd suggest using minutes rather than starts to designate position, but then it gets a lot more fluid.  I do think having position designated automatically based on usage is a better solution than just letting coaches choose.

Yes, letting coaches choose position (even if just for awards) is the best option.

As far as game planning, I would still love to be able to make my best wing player guard my opp's best wing player without constantly having to change depth chart.  Against SIMAI that isn't bad because I can put my best scorer against their worst defender, my best defender guarding their best scorer, etc.  But, against another human it becomes purely a guessing game...

Posted by llamanunts on 4/30/2014 12:46:00 PM (view original):
I'd suggest using minutes rather than starts to designate position, but then it gets a lot more fluid.  I do think having position designated automatically based on usage is a better solution than just letting coaches choose.

Agreed, cuz then coaches could abuse the system and make it look like their team is terrible to others by messing with positions.

I'd prefer minutes played at each position.

Posted by jaymc2007 on 4/30/2014 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Yes, letting coaches choose position (even if just for awards) is the best option.

As far as game planning, I would still love to be able to make my best wing player guard my opp's best wing player without constantly having to change depth chart.  Against SIMAI that isn't bad because I can put my best scorer against their worst defender, my best defender guarding their best scorer, etc.  But, against another human it becomes purely a guessing game...

I am generally in favor of this idea but I think it might be a bear to implement well.

There are just to many "if then" scenarios.

The probable is  what happens when player "A" isn't in the game?   i would hate to see the attempted solution involve 15 different drop down boxes.

TJ, that's a good point and I don't see a "easy fix" to it.  Just off the top of my head here is if I put my SG on "person A" who happens to be the SF, then my SG guards whoever is the sub at that point, guard the SF position, or guard his own position.

I'm having the same problem as Poncho and JT. 

Posted by bbunch on 4/30/2014 4:08:00 PM (view original):
I'm having the same problem as Poncho and JT. 

Could you clarify?  Poncho commented on carson's issue (which was some potential refreshing glitch - maybe having to do with the browser or cache), while jt took issue with the problem of wanting to compare players at their intended role (as the coach sees it), rather than their listed role.