Posted by the0nlyis on 7/6/2015 3:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 7/6/2015 3:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by the0nlyis on 7/5/2015 1:04:00 PM (view original):
I find it interesting that a lot of people are voting for aejones and alblack and hint at their continued dominance, whereas emy doesn't seem to be getting the same love for similar histories as the previous 2.

im surprised you are surprised, honestly. aejones dominated d2/d3 with a height of greatness clearly above the other two, and alblack is fairly well known as the best coach who refuses to play d1 :) both are definitely in the d2 all time great list. emy is a great coach but i thought more of d1. really more of an all-around great coach actually. i know he has good d2 programs but i would not have expected him on an all time great d2 list (although admittedly that isn't what this is, most folks here would not make that list, but alblack and aejones would). maybe i just missed some of his great programs recently (what were they?), but he seemed more like consistently good d2 coach with an occasional spurt of greatness here or there. he has a bunch of titles but a lot of seasons under his belt, without a dominant run or two which really put him apart from the masses. trying to get to a "recent top 10" is almost superficial because really its rare there are 10 guys who really separate from the pack. it would be hard enough to find 10 all time who really separate from the pack.

just to be clear that this isn't an anti-emy post, what he does has is an automatic no brainer position on the "all time top 25 HD coaches" list, which most coaches on this post here, aren't even in contention for. for a long time i figured he was on the top 10 all time too, but there are so many great coaches now that so many more years went by, that its hard to say, so i won't say it, but i wouldn't say he wouldn't make it, either. EASILY top 25 all time though, which is way better than being top 10 of 1 division right now. but that doesn't change the fact that for emy to win this list, it would be a bit of a travesty.

emy is more known for D1?

here's some of his programs:

Post (Rupp) since season 19(compared to all other D2 coaches)

3rd most coach wins (1510)
2nd in NT bids(61)
1st in NT wins(122)
1st in NC(5)
1st in NCOY(4)
1 player drafted nba

Northeastern St. (dcy0827) since season 3 Tark

1st in wins(2489)
1st in NT bids(91)
2nd in NT wins(160)
2 NC
2nd in NCOY(6)

19 Total titles(13 on emy and 6 on dcy, 684 total seasons 379,305 respectively, idk between D1/2/3 NC)

Alblack56 has more teams with longer periods of coaching, and appears on the D2 alltime win list in i believe every world if not top3 with both ID's of his.

18 total titles (14 on alblack and 4 on kypride, again not sure between D2/3) with 696 total seasons(461 alblack and 235 kypride)

not anti-alblack or aejones, just pointing out, emy has the team and NC history of both coaches, maybe a step under depending on how you view longetivity which is clearly playing a factor, and has spent a good chunk of time at D1 as well, compared to jones/alblack whose D2 teams have been theirs for years and years, with limited D1 or no D1 exp.

Wow, Alblack is Kypride? I learned a ton from him without knowing it Rupp...

Posted by emy1013 on 7/6/2015 6:18:00 PM (view original):
Emy also has four more NC's in just over 20 seasons at Wisconsin Parkside in Iba, including 3 in an 8 year stretch.  Post had a stretch of 6 title game appearances (with 3 wins in 5 seasons) over a 10 season stretch in Rupp.  I'd say that's a decent enough stretch.  I still don't think I'm the best D2 coach by any means, but to be labeled as "consistently good" is, well, a bit of an insult actually.  If you want to be technical and specific, both Al and I also have a third ID (which I no longer use, with 2 more NC's on it) which, I believe gives me more all-time than he has.  Either way, it's close and I think if you asked both of us, each of us would probably vote for the other.


Edit****  Just checked, Al has 19 total NC's and I have 21.  I still say there's not a hair's difference between the two of us though and I still guess that Al would say the same.


Like I said in another earlier post, I don't see myself as the best D2 coach ever.  In fact, I probably wouldn't put myself in the top 5 or 6.  But I "do" think that I'd be in the top 10 or 12 for sure.  For all-time, all divisions, I'll agree with Gill, somewhere in the top 25 sounds about right, probably in the late teens, early twenties.  But almost assuredly no higher than that, not now.  Had I continued to be engaged in the game like I was for the first half of my HD "career", I may have even cracked the top 10 overall.  But not now, not after being on "auto pilot" for the better part of the last four or five real world years....

wow im impressed. im guessing some of that is recent? you'll have to forgive me, im usually a couple years behind with these things... so i probably should shut up completely :) also of course there is a difference! 19 vs 21, not so much, you are also a great d1 coach, that carries a lot of weight in general (just not in d2/d3 only discussions). i guess that just made me not realize how far you have went in d2/d3. my apologizes!

well here's what the final results show:

1	alblack56	22%
2	aejones	21%
3	bjb2378	12%
3 tie	oldresorter	12%
5	getbedarded	10%

congratulations to all coaches that received votes or had their names thrown into the mix!

damn has anybody been watching ledfoot in Phelan

3 straight NC's and 4 in 6 seasons with a F4 as well

wasn't on the list at the time, but on a roll right now and doesn't look to be slowing down.

Posted by the0nlyis on 11/2/2015 12:22:00 AM (view original):
damn has anybody been watching ledfoot in Phelan

3 straight NC's and 4 in 6 seasons with a F4 as well

wasn't on the list at the time, but on a roll right now and doesn't look to be slowing down.

+1

I love coach Billyg in Div 2 he has some great teams in Tark

Was just thinking about this thread, because the current run I'm on in Allen would have at least put me on the list to be talked about with these guys. (I would hope).  Next season I believe I'll be looking to tie gillispie's final four record.

Maybe I still haven't had enough seasons to be in the conversation with the great historical coached.  But the run I'm on and success I have, put me in the conversation with the best right now.

83	dan2044	27-7	10-2	10-4	7-1	12-4	1	3	1	A+	NT At-large Bid National Champion
82	dan2044	35-0	10-0	16-0	9-0	16-0	1	1	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
81	dan2044	30-4	12-3	11-0	7-1	13-3	3	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
80	dan2044	32-2	10-1	15-0	7-1	16-0	3	1	3	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
79	dan2044	28-7	12-2	8-4	8-1	10-6	1	1	1	A+	NT At-large Bid National Champion

Allen's the world with 6 humans in D2 right?  

Seriously, that's a damn good run.

Fair critique.  But 4 of the coaches who got votes as best DII coach ever, cjwolf, oldresorter, robinhood, and emy (who I believe is dcy) play DII Allen.

Posted by dan2044 on 2/12/2016 9:55:00 AM (view original):
Was just thinking about this thread, because the current run I'm on in Allen would have at least put me on the list to be talked about with these guys. (I would hope).  Next season I believe I'll be looking to tie gillispie's final four record.

Maybe I still haven't had enough seasons to be in the conversation with the great historical coached.  But the run I'm on and success I have, put me in the conversation with the best right now.

83	dan2044	27-7	10-2	10-4	7-1	12-4	1	3	1	A+	NT At-large Bid National Champion
82	dan2044	35-0	10-0	16-0	9-0	16-0	1	1	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
81	dan2044	30-4	12-3	11-0	7-1	13-3	3	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
80	dan2044	32-2	10-1	15-0	7-1	16-0	3	1	3	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
79	dan2044	28-7	12-2	8-4	8-1	10-6	1	1	1	A+	NT At-large Bid National Champion

wow thats a beautiful 5 year stretch! congrats. could be the start of an all-time great run, GL keeping it going.

Just saw that this morning and was going to bring it up when I got home, I believe his 35-0 team probably set the record for highest team ath/def for D2 as well as setting the RPI record.

It's also his only D2 team having left Tarleton state recently
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=13186

One of jsajsa's referrals (and students?)

ohhh so this is the guy who knocked me off the d2 rpi top spot! interesting. well, im glad it was done as part of a resume like that :) i blame the projection report, we were the best d2 conf in the game back then, but had no where near the conf rpi those guys had. d2/d3 conferences have been able to get way deeper since NT seeding was reworked.

anyway very nice job dan! its 2 more, to tie me on the final 4s, but close enough :) jsa already beat me on that, hes got 8 now i think, but i guess 7 still stands in d2. love seeing great accomplishments like this, hope you keep that job a while and keep pushing! the two of you are really chipping away at SIUE's records, is only right, did jsa bring you into this game?