Posted by possumfiend on 10/3/2015 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Ok, I've seen this come up a few times in the last few posts here and I'm really just curious why so many think that firings are such a strong priority to fixing this game. I don't disagree that hiring and firing are broken and need to be fixed, but why should this be such a high priority?
I guess for me to understand this argument I'm wondering who exactly anyone thinks is going to be fired if we ramp up the process? Increasing the firings isn't suddenly going to open up the high prestige jobs where coaches win every year. Those users aren't in jeopardy so what gets accomplished? The Big 6 Iowa job in Crum has been a SIM for going on seven seasons now because no one wants it. Should we really start firing more of the under performing Big 6 coaches and open up more of these jobs that few people want if we don't first address the imbalances that cause these schools to perpetually under perform?
I think there are many ideas floating about as to how we can reduce the existing imbalances - fix recruit gen, add texture, overhaul the game - my point here isn't to debate how the game gets fixed, there are pluses and minuses to all of them and some more than others. But until the imbalances are addressed - and coaches have a fair chance to impact their teams it seems premature to talk about ramping up the firings.
Because their a bunch of coaches in Big 6 jobs who don't really seem to know what they are doing. This makes it harder for upcoming D1 coaches to even attempt big 6 jobs.
I'm not moving up to Big 6 yet in Knight but expect to move to a big 6 job within 4 seasons, but looking at the outlook their are so few jobs currently open(minus anyone leaving or miraculously fired).
Increasing firings opens up big 6 jobs not high prestige ones(although sometimes) so that upcoming coaches can make the move to big 6 jobs and not just land the undesirable jobs that no one wants.
I'll just post some team histories(no names) and say how they "deserve" to keep their job:
Team A: Last NT bid 12 seasons ago(2 in last 20), Last PI bid 6 seasons ago, (5 current seasons of no post season) 7 seasons since last winning season. 3 players over 80 ath, 3 players over 80 def. Maintain a C+ prestige
Team B: Last NT bid 26 seasons ago, Last PI bid 1 season ago, 4 players over 80 ath 6 players over 80 def. Maintaining a B- prestige
Team C: Last NT bid 8 seasons ago(3 in the last 20), Last PI bid 4 seasons ago, 5 players over 80 ath 4 players over 80 def, maintaining a C+ prestige
Team D: last NT bid 7 seasons ago(3 in last 20), last PI this season, 0 players over 80 ath 4 players over 80 def, maintaing B- prestige
Team E: last NT bid this season(1 in last 20), last PI 1 season ago(9 seasons in a row of no post season) 3 players over 80 ath 4 players over 80 def. B- prestige
There's some more questionable teams but the are the biggest.
Baselines of those schools(random order to prevent identification)
B+(somewhat difficult location), B(somewhat difficult location), A-(above average location), A-(decent location), B(good location)
Now I'm not saying anything about what I deserve or my talent level, just from an observationary point, do any of those coaches really seem to be worthy of keeping their jobs let alone having their prestige so laughably high.
Now the fact there are currently 8 open Big 6 jobs(again before what little firing happens, and teams being dropped)
From there we have
Miami(B baseline currently B) good location surprised it's been open for a few seasons
Michigan B baseline currently B+ average location, not to suprising with Michigan St, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana all being very very good around them.
Purdue B+ baseline currently C not surprising Purdue is seems to not be desirable with Indiana being so powerful next door
Missouri B baseline B- currently not a great spot to recruit from it seems like especially with a tough Iowa St and Oklahoma nearby too making midwest hard
Kansas St B baseline B- currently not surprising probably one of the worst Big 6 jobs in all of HD with its location and surrounding schools
Washington St B baseline B- currently not the greatest spot but doable,
Oregon St B baseline A- currently not the greatest but again doable location and surrounding
Mississippi B baseline B- currently not ideal again but somewhat doable.
So really anyone looking to move and having a reasonable chance of having success is looking at Miami as the best open job currently. otherwise all the other schools are generally some of the weakest Big 6 jobs in HD overall for their location and surronding schools.
Again I'm not saying I deserve better jobs open and these people should be fired I'm just putting a point of view from a coach hoping to move to Big 6 in ~4 seasons.
I also think another thing that can be done is to limit PI bids to Big 6 programs, a lot of schools mentioned as well as in general seem to stay there and keep a solid prestige on just PI bids. I missed the PI this season(101 on PR) with a 19-9 at the time 68 rpi 98 sos (now 75 107 from the change of post season results) But it was hilarious the programs making it in the PI, Big 6 schools with 90-100 rpi and 60-80 rpi and barely winning records 13-14 15-12 etc. It's clearly skewed when I had a much better resume. And while I probably drop to a C- from no post season these schools move up a bit do to their bs PI bid.
10/3/2015 3:03 PM (edited)