Posted by cyoung187 on 5/4/2016 8:51:00 PM (view original):
This crap is why DI has become Sim land. This discourages everyone. Recruiting problems would not be severe if DI was actually close to full.

No no no you don't understand recruiting is boring! If we severly punish elite teams with EE's and 2 rounds of recruiting. **** teams will magically become better. You'll enjoy recruiting at Crapshit State University over any Big 6 job oppertunity! It's not the job process, it's the silly recruiting dynamics!

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/4/2016 7:41:00 PM (view original):
Thank goodness WIS is closing the game for a month to overhaul recruiting, instead of doing some minor tinkering to address a legitimate problem with hiring.

oh yeah... wow, i TOTALLY forgot seble was closing the game down for almost 2 months for the new release. man that is so dumb. coachward, can you get the big man to fix this for us? shutting down the game for 2 months is going to cost a lot of coaches, its really scary, i can't believe they think they can pull that off :(

They are shutting everything down? I was under the impression that they were pausing worlds that finished a season and waiting until all worlds were a the same point.

Posted by gillispie1 on 5/4/2016 9:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/4/2016 7:41:00 PM (view original):
Thank goodness WIS is closing the game for a month to overhaul recruiting, instead of doing some minor tinkering to address a legitimate problem with hiring.

oh yeah... wow, i TOTALLY forgot seble was closing the game down for almost 2 months for the new release. man that is so dumb. coachward, can you get the big man to fix this for us? shutting down the game for 2 months is going to cost a lot of coaches, its really scary, i can't believe they think they can pull that off :(

Are you guys pulling my leg? I thought they were going to open a new world for beta testing then open another world for the new recruting stuff to happen. They are doing this to all worlds? Any proof will be much appreiciated1

How long do you predict it will be until all worlds are changed to new update? (whitey34 - All-Star - 11:18 AM)

The plan is that once we're ready for release, we'll pause each world after the recruiting period. Once all worlds have been paused, we'll release the update and convert some data to the new structure. Then we'll restart worlds in the order of pausing to keep them spaced out.

Earlier you mentioned that worlds will be paused so all receive the update at the same time - does this mean worlds will be delayed up to a month? (dal8847 - Hall of Famer - 12:15 PM)

Yes, there will be a delay involved. There's no other realistic way to do it.

Link to the 3/4/16 dev chat: https://www.whatifsports.com/devchat/devchat.asp?chatid=106

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/4/2016 9:57:00 PM (view original):

How long do you predict it will be until all worlds are changed to new update? (whitey34 - All-Star - 11:18 AM)

The plan is that once we're ready for release, we'll pause each world after the recruiting period. Once all worlds have been paused, we'll release the update and convert some data to the new structure. Then we'll restart worlds in the order of pausing to keep them spaced out.

Earlier you mentioned that worlds will be paused so all receive the update at the same time - does this mean worlds will be delayed up to a month? (dal8847 - Hall of Famer - 12:15 PM)

Yes, there will be a delay involved. There's no other realistic way to do it.

Link to the 3/4/16 dev chat: https://www.whatifsports.com/devchat/devchat.asp?chatid=106

Ugh, that stinks. It seems like there has to be a better way.

I give seble credit for being straightforward about the delay. It was good of him to do that dev chat.

Unfortunately, the overhaul is -- in my personal opinion -- unnecessary. Seems to me HD recruiting generally works pretty well except at the high levels of D1. The proposed new system actually sounds great for GD, where recruiting takes way too much time and attention.

But in HD it seems like it's just moving the deck chairs. And to get back on topic, hiring / firing is the iceberg the game hit long ago.

recruiting works fine at high levels of d1 too. recruit generation is not quite as good.

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/4/2016 9:57:00 PM (view original):

How long do you predict it will be until all worlds are changed to new update? (whitey34 - All-Star - 11:18 AM)

The plan is that once we're ready for release, we'll pause each world after the recruiting period. Once all worlds have been paused, we'll release the update and convert some data to the new structure. Then we'll restart worlds in the order of pausing to keep them spaced out.

Earlier you mentioned that worlds will be paused so all receive the update at the same time - does this mean worlds will be delayed up to a month? (dal8847 - Hall of Famer - 12:15 PM)

Yes, there will be a delay involved. There's no other realistic way to do it.

Link to the 3/4/16 dev chat: https://www.whatifsports.com/devchat/devchat.asp?chatid=106

everyone but me talks about "a month". but i talk about 2 months. what do you guys think it is, if you consider this?

seble says, the plan is to pause each world after recruiting. when all worlds are paused, they will release the update, then restart in order to keep them spaced. so basically, seble will pick 1 world - then wait for ALL other worlds to be done - presumably, a different world is only like a week before that first paused world, in the timeline. the timeline of 2/day worlds is 2 months, isn't it? or is it like 55 days or something? for some reason i had 63 in my head but that can't be right, you can win 35 games, plus 2 exhibition, plus 3 off days, so 40, plus jobs and signups and recruiting. i guess thats only like 48. hmmm thats much better. ok, but still, that could be like 40-45 days of delay.

ok, so not 2 months. dac and i always ***** about how long 1/day world are, i was thinking it was 2 months, but i guess that's wrong. but still, probably more than a month, by at least a week, maybe two?

I believe the 1x worlds are 50 days exactly at least thats what I used when planning how long I have to waste until I get to D1. But yeh if he is randomly going to pick one world it's gonna be closer to 2 months.

Hopefully he picks one of the first 1x worlds so we don't end up with picking a 1x world that ends while a few 1x worlds seasons just started so we have to wait 50 days for those to finish.

end of the world as we know it

I realize that it's probably just a part of the very vocal minority, but I find it rather telling that everyone here is very much against the new update. Count myself as one of the "against" crowd as well. Several things that, in my humble opinion, are FAR more important that need to be fixed before this recruiting change band-aid. In fact, changing recruiting would be quite far down my own personal list.

The new system could be really fun, I certainly have an open mind about that. But if it's still impossible to lateral at low D1, or take over a top flight team that had too much recent success for anyone interested to qualify, recruiting won't matter.

If we're closing for a whole month or two, WIS could throw us a bone and address the jobs process at the same time. Is that unreasonable?

I'm not 100% against the update, I think there is a few things about it I don't like, but I'm willing to try it because it could be a good update.

Really the problem is that this is not what needs to be done. Before trying to change recruiting(it doesn't need to be "fixed") you need to work on the job applications, the way prestige is calculated, and recruit generation.

I know I'm probably the "leader" of the vocal minority, but it does seem like most people understand this is not the biggest problem or even a problem at all, it's pretty clear the job process is the worst part of the game and I know a lot of people do not like recruit generation as well.

But on topic Kimball from St. John's got the job. Very elite coach, so there were coaches qualifed. Seems to be that lw and chap just weren't there long enough which seems to be the worst part of the job process(time), they probably meet the success meter, but not for a long enough time(which is bs). You could make the case that chap and lw had better resumes the past 4 seasons, but Kimball has arugueable one of the best overall resumes in Wooden.

Wonder who else qualified for it, because CS said there was a few.