I've had 2 major battles.
- won a VH vs VH at Providence. My rival entered late and got to VH with me.
- lost as VH to an H. I was at D3 Albertus. I entered the battle late, got to VH leapfrogging my rival, but he ended up winning.

So, small sample size, but the owner who arrived late ended up losing each battle in both cases.

Posted by snafu4u on 1/30/2017 7:37:00 AM (view original):
FWIW Nole - in my first 3 seasons under HD3.0 I was 1 for 9 in battles, with 4 losses to a High when I was Very High. Since then I have had 3 battles against, all where I was VH against High and won all 3. In all of the ones I won I estimate I was at about the max advantage I could be before knocking them down to moderate. What's the takeaway from this? The VH-H battles will come around in your favor as sample size grows. VH-VH is just a crap shoot. In 3.0 if you are an A or above team it is just best to avoid battles unless you know you can knock a lower team off completely. That and offer starts, lots of starts.

Offering lots of starts is good advice. Starts are overvalued in 3.0 regardless of preference in my opinion.

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 6:17:00 PM (view original):
Is anyone winning 5+ battles in a row? It seems like someone must be.

I've won 4 in a row at Rutgers, 3 last season, and 1 this year. Prioritization is huge. If you're not offering a start, you're not all in, so if you're going up against a team with a prestige within a letter grade, you're putting yourself at risk for an upset if you aren't willing to start him. I won a #~200 ranked, 598 OVR type with lots of potential this year. I didn't offer a start, because it would have hurt my team (in truth, I would like to redshirt him, but you can't do that in a battle, especially not with a guy who wants to play). I ended up getting leapfrogged in the signing cycle, dropped to high, but he hung with me anyway against the odds.

Posted by pkoopman on 1/30/2017 8:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 6:17:00 PM (view original):
Is anyone winning 5+ battles in a row? It seems like someone must be.

I've won 4 in a row at Rutgers, 3 last season, and 1 this year. Prioritization is huge. If you're not offering a start, you're not all in, so if you're going up against a team with a prestige within a letter grade, you're putting yourself at risk for an upset if you aren't willing to start him. I won a #~200 ranked, 598 OVR type with lots of potential this year. I didn't offer a start, because it would have hurt my team (in truth, I would like to redshirt him, but you can't do that in a battle, especially not with a guy who wants to play). I ended up getting leapfrogged in the signing cycle, dropped to high, but he hung with me anyway against the odds.

This is accurate +1

If you haven't lost some battles you're not reaching high enough.

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2017 9:00:00 PM (view original):
If you haven't lost some battles you're not reaching high enough.

I've lost out on some recruits. But don't think I ever risk being in a battle with my team.

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 6:17:00 PM (view original):
Is anyone winning 5+ battles in a row? It seems like someone must be.

I'm sure. They're just far less likely to post. Superstition, bragging, etc, etc.

You've gotta offer a start and at the very least some minutes. Absolutely agree.

While I have no problem with people offering their advice on how to approach recruiting, I just want to be clear that my issues and questions have nothing to do with strategy. My starting assumption is that one would already be at VH or H on a recruit. How you got there is irrelevant.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2017 9:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 6:17:00 PM (view original):
Is anyone winning 5+ battles in a row? It seems like someone must be.

I'm sure. They're just far less likely to post. Superstition, bragging, etc, etc.

That's probably true.

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 10:41:00 PM (view original):
While I have no problem with people offering their advice on how to approach recruiting, I just want to be clear that my issues and questions have nothing to do with strategy. My starting assumption is that one would already be at VH or H on a recruit. How you got there is irrelevant.

How many have you lost where you'd offered starts and or mins?

Posted by zhawks on 1/30/2017 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 10:41:00 PM (view original):
While I have no problem with people offering their advice on how to approach recruiting, I just want to be clear that my issues and questions have nothing to do with strategy. My starting assumption is that one would already be at VH or H on a recruit. How you got there is irrelevant.

How many have you lost where you'd offered starts and or mins?

Yes, but that doesn't matter in the context of what I am interested in. The bottom line is, if you are at Very High or High on a recruit you have a chance. Perhaps I was not ahead on some of the VH vs. VH battles, but I would wager that I was on at least some of them. Regardless, I was definitely ahead on the VH vs. H battles that I've lost also. What I am interested in is what are the range of percentage chances of each level vs. another. IOW, does two teams at VH mean that either team has a 45-55% chance to sign that player? Or is it more like 35-65%? And what about VH vs. H? Does the VH team have a 60-70% chance, while the H team has a 30-40% chance?

I also was interested in hearing from anyone who has had won a bunch of battles just to see what their results were. Not their strategy, their results. Again, I don't mind people discussing strategy at all. I was just trying to clarify my intention considering where the thread has gone.

Posted by noleaniml on 1/31/2017 9:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zhawks on 1/30/2017 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 10:41:00 PM (view original):
While I have no problem with people offering their advice on how to approach recruiting, I just want to be clear that my issues and questions have nothing to do with strategy. My starting assumption is that one would already be at VH or H on a recruit. How you got there is irrelevant.

How many have you lost where you'd offered starts and or mins?

Yes, but that doesn't matter in the context of what I am interested in. The bottom line is, if you are at Very High or High on a recruit you have a chance. Perhaps I was not ahead on some of the VH vs. VH battles, but I would wager that I was on at least some of them. Regardless, I was definitely ahead on the VH vs. H battles that I've lost also. What I am interested in is what are the range of percentage chances of each level vs. another. IOW, does two teams at VH mean that either team has a 45-55% chance to sign that player? Or is it more like 35-65%? And what about VH vs. H? Does the VH team have a 60-70% chance, while the H team has a 30-40% chance?

I also was interested in hearing from anyone who has had won a bunch of battles just to see what their results were. Not their strategy, their results. Again, I don't mind people discussing strategy at all. I was just trying to clarify my intention considering where the thread has gone.

Refer back to my post please!

Posted by noleaniml on 1/31/2017 9:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zhawks on 1/30/2017 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 10:41:00 PM (view original):
While I have no problem with people offering their advice on how to approach recruiting, I just want to be clear that my issues and questions have nothing to do with strategy. My starting assumption is that one would already be at VH or H on a recruit. How you got there is irrelevant.

How many have you lost where you'd offered starts and or mins?

Yes, but that doesn't matter in the context of what I am interested in. The bottom line is, if you are at Very High or High on a recruit you have a chance. Perhaps I was not ahead on some of the VH vs. VH battles, but I would wager that I was on at least some of them. Regardless, I was definitely ahead on the VH vs. H battles that I've lost also. What I am interested in is what are the range of percentage chances of each level vs. another. IOW, does two teams at VH mean that either team has a 45-55% chance to sign that player? Or is it more like 35-65%? And what about VH vs. H? Does the VH team have a 60-70% chance, while the H team has a 30-40% chance?

I also was interested in hearing from anyone who has had won a bunch of battles just to see what their results were. Not their strategy, their results. Again, I don't mind people discussing strategy at all. I was just trying to clarify my intention considering where the thread has gone.

I understand what you're looking for I was just somewhat curious if VH v VH or VH v H if starts/promises don't feed into that as much but are somehow used in the 'final' decision in a way we don't understand at this point. I get you want a drop dead % of how often you should win v not and I was wondering if there was any insight into you losing VH v H when they offered start and you didn't, etc.

Maybe some Iba folks who get the actual recruiting numbers could correlate the actual percentages to the designations (very high, high, moderate, low, very low)?