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To be sure, the president inherited an immigration system that allows in a million immigrants annually. This is the so-called green card that allows immigrants to live permanently in the United States and apply for citizenship after five years. As discussed above, since the Great Recession began 4.3 million new green cards were issued from 2008 to 2011.5 While data are not yet available, it seems very likely that roughly one million additional green cards were issued in fiscal year 2012, which ended in September of this year. In addition, several hundred thousand guest workers also have been allowed into the country each year. Neither President Obama nor Congress has been willing to modify this system.

During the Bush administration a large share of employment growth also went to immigrants — 44 percent. In the fourth quarter of 2008 there were 4.38 million more natives working than in the first quarter of 2001, when President George W. Bush took office. Among immigrants, the number working increased by 3.48 million. (See Table 1.) However, employment peaked by the fourth quarter of 2008 and was headed down when President Bush left office.

There is no question that President Obama inherited a labor market that was deteriorating. (See Table 1.) But he has taken a number of steps that have increased job competition for native-born workers. He has offered work authorization to an estimated two million illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before age 16 — nearly 200,000 of whom have applied so far.6 When auditing employers who hire illegal workers, as a matter of policy the administration has not detained the illegal workers, allowing them to take new jobs. The administration also called on the Supreme Court in 2010 to strike down Arizona’s law requiring employers to verify the legal status of new workers.7 Most importantly, he has proposed no reduction in legal immigration levels.

There is a long-standing debate among economists about whether immigration reduces labor market opportunities for the native-born. There is good research showing that immigration displaces natives from the labor market.8 But there is not a consensus. What we can say is that there are currently an enormous number of working-age, adult (18 to 65) native-born Americans not working — 50.8 million. If we include naturalized citizens the number is 54.7 million. Equally important, the share of working-age natives holding a job was declining even before the recession, which has nothing to do with the Obama administration. As immigration increased through the last decade, the employment rate of natives fell. Just 69 percent of adult natives (18 to 65) held a job in the third quarter of this year, compared to 74 percent at the end of 2007, before the recession. Back in the third quarter of 2000 it was 76 percent. The last decade was a period of high immigration and declining employment rates for natives.

It is clear that a large share of employment growth was going to immigrants long before the president took office. What the president has failed to do is propose any reduction in immigration levels and he has embraced policies and positions that made the situation worse. Immigration levels are a discretionary policy, which can be changed. Both the president and Congress share the blame or credit, depending on one’s point of view, for the decision to keep legal immigration at very high levels despite the dismal state of the job market.

1/21/2018 1:07 PM
THIS IS TEDIOUS. THAT'S ENOUGH. I'm not gonna paste endless sites.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS all this information is readily available to all of us should we care to attempt even the most mediocre effort.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE A GENUINE IDEOLOGUE or idiot, not to be able to sort out the truth from all the avenues available.

AND THERE'S THE RUB! SOME OF US CHOOSE TO BE OBSTINATE. And I don't have the genetic presupposition to be nurturing.

You're gonna have to pick it up on your own boys.

I will however, be more than willing to point out each and every time you base your opinion or believe on a faulty source I can identify.

I'll upgrade Obama to a flat D. He's not Hitler but he treated the bulwark and wall of freedom and democracy like a toy thing simply because he read it in a book and someone told him so.
1/21/2018 1:18 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 1:07:00 PM (view original):
Is your source effective of 2012?
It is.
1/21/2018 1:20 PM
LOL...are you arguing with Drunkout? He's the biggest partisan hack on this site. Rush's word is the gospel to him. I quit reading his drivel years ago.
1/21/2018 1:28 PM
Nah, I'm not arguing with anyone.
1/21/2018 1:31 PM
Posted by The Taint on 1/21/2018 1:28:00 PM (view original):
LOL...are you arguing with Drunkout? He's the biggest partisan hack on this site. Rush's word is the gospel to him. I quit reading his drivel years ago.
LOL...are you still alerting everyone? WHY? It's so obvious. And since when did size matter?

IF YOU QUIT READING WHY DO ALL OF LIBS YOU CONTINUE TO RESPOND?

PS. Thanks to K26 for the thread.
1/21/2018 1:46 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 12:24:00 PM (view original):
I want to do an economic comparison between him Reagan. Both inherited recession economies and the opposition party controlled congress.
Reagan was allowed to spend at a much higher rate to get out of the recession faster.
1/21/2018 2:38 PM
Posted by The Taint on 1/21/2018 1:28:00 PM (view original):
LOL...are you arguing with Drunkout? He's the biggest partisan hack on this site. Rush's word is the gospel to him. I quit reading his drivel years ago.
ONE MORE THING!

WHY IS IT ONLY THE LIBS POINT OUT PEOPLE AND THREATEN OTHERS THEY CANNOT ACKNOWLEDGE THEM?

I NEVER SEE CONSERVATIVES CONSTRUCT THE POISON THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH.

WE DON'T DEMAND OR SHAME OTHERS INTO DOING OUR BIDDING. WE FIND TRUTH AND COMMON SENSE TO SUFFICE.

WE CONSERVATIVES EMBRACE ALL KNOWELEDGE AND AVENUES OF INFORMATION AND ARE WILLING TO LAY THEM OUT IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE FOR ALL TO SEE AND DEBATE.

You weaklings scurry and hide beneath every vile crevice available for its untenable shelter before you run to the next hole to hide in and invent yet newer and more fantastic lies than before.

And your audience are immigrants and ill-informed tools. Slaves. An underclass created by you and kept down by you so you can maintain control. DemoNazis still living in the 1840's. Somebody needs to fetch your coffee at Starbucks. You require lesser to wait on you to make you feel better. But you would never consider real equality. You spit merit based advancement from your mouth while spewing 19th century dogma in 17th century tenured monarchies of propaganda disguised as education. And that's history. That's how it's always been. Since the beginning of history. And we finally get one brief wisp of freedom and equality. AND YOU CAN'T WAIT to drag us back into the darkness of history past. Disabling the one faint light of liberty to the onslaught of socialism and forced conformity.

Weaklings and gossips prefer it that way.
1/21/2018 2:42 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 1/21/2018 2:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 12:24:00 PM (view original):
I want to do an economic comparison between him Reagan. Both inherited recession economies and the opposition party controlled congress.
Reagan was allowed to spend at a much higher rate to get out of the recession faster.
So, $9T is not enough? Or maybe the funds were misprioritized? Maybe the "shovel ready" jobs weren't so shovel ready? If you can't get a country out of a recession on $9T, you aren't doing a very good job.
1/21/2018 5:53 PM
Off topic, B_L, did you say that you played college baseball?
1/21/2018 5:55 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 5:55:00 PM (view original):
Off topic, B_L, did you say that you played college baseball?
Yeah. D2.
1/21/2018 6:01 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 5:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/21/2018 2:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 12:24:00 PM (view original):
I want to do an economic comparison between him Reagan. Both inherited recession economies and the opposition party controlled congress.
Reagan was allowed to spend at a much higher rate to get out of the recession faster.
So, $9T is not enough? Or maybe the funds were misprioritized? Maybe the "shovel ready" jobs weren't so shovel ready? If you can't get a country out of a recession on $9T, you aren't doing a very good job.
As a percentage of GDP, Reagan spent more.

But, yes, the spending should have been less targeted at banks/corporations and more targeted at individuals.
1/21/2018 6:03 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 1/21/2018 6:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 5:55:00 PM (view original):
Off topic, B_L, did you say that you played college baseball?
Yeah. D2.
That's cool. Cali has some good DII baseball. I've signed a handful of Cali JuCo. All have competed well.
1/21/2018 6:37 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 1/21/2018 6:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 5:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/21/2018 2:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 12:24:00 PM (view original):
I want to do an economic comparison between him Reagan. Both inherited recession economies and the opposition party controlled congress.
Reagan was allowed to spend at a much higher rate to get out of the recession faster.
So, $9T is not enough? Or maybe the funds were misprioritized? Maybe the "shovel ready" jobs weren't so shovel ready? If you can't get a country out of a recession on $9T, you aren't doing a very good job.
As a percentage of GDP, Reagan spent more.

But, yes, the spending should have been less targeted at banks/corporations and more targeted at individuals.
This may be true, but Obama still had plenty of money.

I agree with your second part. Our country would have survived just fine if the banks and corporations like GM weren't bailed out. All that would have happened is mid size banks that were making smart decisions would have rose to the top.
1/21/2018 6:41 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 6:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/21/2018 6:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 5:55:00 PM (view original):
Off topic, B_L, did you say that you played college baseball?
Yeah. D2.
That's cool. Cali has some good DII baseball. I've signed a handful of Cali JuCo. All have competed well.
Thanks. Sat the bench mostly. Got some innings in center and right.
1/21/2018 7:36 PM
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